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Re: Vistani Assassin
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acidpickachu wrote
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Ah. I was mistaken on assassinate, since you could take it with tier 5 and not capstone. My bad.
@Rubbins. With the new monk changes assassin will be a lot deadlier in end game than monk if played correctly. Right now all pure 20 monk has on assassin is dps. Which is about to be slashed heavily. Monk will probably pull ahead in straight up DPS still, and will most likely be best for bosses, but for trash clearing I’d still go rogue.
I would still go monk.
Then again, I choose monk over everything.
Healer? Monk. CC? Monk. Speed? Monk. Buffs? Monk.
33 racial lives? They will all be monk. Because I love it that much.
I might be a tad bias. Only a tad.
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It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity.
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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acidpickachu wrote
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Ah. I was mistaken on assassinate, since you could take it with tier 5 and not capstone. My bad.
@Rubbins. With the new monk changes assassin will be a lot deadlier in end game than monk if played correctly. Right now all pure 20 monk has on assassin is dps. Which is about to be slashed heavily. Monk will probably pull ahead in straight up DPS still, and will most likely be best for bosses, but for trash clearing I’d still go rogue.
I dont think he even took assassinate in tier 5. i would check the build, but monk even after nerfs is still better.
jade tomb, dismissing strike, stunning fist, 100k helpless damage, higher boss dps, and movement speed + abundant step to close in on any targets makes monk the best melee build. the nerfs arent even enough. duality is still too good. all the devs did is lower the boss dps from 40k to 30k, while still allowing 100k helpless damage to trivialize trash. even at r10 a mob with 20k hp would be around 200k effective hp. that is still 2-3 seconds for monks to vaporize any target.
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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I think you’re over estimating the damage monks will be doing after the changes. We’ll see though. Would love to be proven wrong. Overall I think monk will still be higher boss dps, however with these changes rogues will gain a lot with trash clearing and will be a solid addition to flavor over having a party full of wraps.
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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acidpickachu wrote
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I think you’re over estimating the damage monks will be doing after the changes. We’ll see though. Would love to be proven wrong. Overall I think monk will still be higher boss dps, however with these changes rogues will gain a lot with trash clearing and will be a solid addition to flavor over having a party full of wraps.
i dont have an account back yet to test monk dps on lama. nor do i have the will to atm. rogue 18 + monk splash, and kensei 18 + monk splash does have competitive dps, but even after nerfs pure monk should still beat them. just not by as much as it does right now.
swashbuckler with shield bashes should also do very well considering ravenloft buckler has a 1d10+10 attached to every weapon die.
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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Rubbinns wrote
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all the devs did is lower the boss dps from 40k to 30k, while still allowing 100k helpless damage to trivialize trash. even at r10 a mob with 20k hp would be around 200k effective hp. that is still 2-3 seconds for monks to vaporize any target.
Actually, all they did was put a little speedbump in front of Shintao monks but they gutted pure Henshin stick builds. They gave it to Henshin in the ass with no lube essentially.
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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Rubbinns wrote
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I dont think he even took assassinate in tier 5. i would check the build, but monk even after nerfs is still better.
jade tomb, dismissing strike, stunning fist, 100k helpless damage, higher boss dps, and movement speed + abundant step to close in on any targets makes monk the best melee build. the nerfs arent even enough. duality is still too good. all the devs did is lower the boss dps from 40k to 30k, while still allowing 100k helpless damage to trivialize trash. even at r10 a mob with 20k hp would be around 200k effective hp. that is still 2-3 seconds for monks to vaporize any target.
Yep, Id be willing to bet an 18 monk/1 fvs/1 druid scourge will be the new meta/op (if you know what it fully offers
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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Teth wrote
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Yep, Id be willing to bet an 18 monk/1 fvs/1 druid scourge will be the new meta/op (if you know what it fully offers
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if you wanted to gimp your dps but have insane dc, then 15/4/1fvs pdk with ssword should be hitting around 120~ QP dc/ 150 jades.
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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acidpickachu wrote
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@Rubbins. With the new monk changes assassin will be a lot deadlier in end game than monk if played correctly. Right now all pure 20 monk has on assassin is dps. Which is about to be slashed heavily. Monk will probably pull ahead in straight up DPS still, and will most likely be best for bosses, but for trash clearing I’d still go rogue.
Saw Dmitri getting a 25 second Kobold kill yesterday, I'm thinking Monk is still on top.
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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Digimonk wrote
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They gave it to Henshin in the ass with no lube essentially.
To be fair, that is how they like it.
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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Bigjunk wrote
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Saw Dmitri getting a 25 second Kobold kill yesterday, I'm thinking Monk is still on top.
25 is not great, 25 was a decent number pre-RL.
I guess if on Lam that person had shit gear and PL's maybe that's good.
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harharharhar wrote
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25 is not great, 25 was a decent number pre-RL.
I guess if on Lam that person had shit gear and PL's maybe that's good.
it's the fastest I saw hanging out there for about an hour.
What's beating this at this time?
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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Bigjunk wrote
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it's the fastest I saw hanging out there for about an hour.
What's beating this at this time?
New bear druid can do it in 15.2 seconds.
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AbominableIdiot wrote
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New bear druid can do it in 15.2 seconds.
For about 3-4 weeks after it goes live or until about a week after the sale on the Druid class is over.
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Digimonk wrote
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For about 3-4 weeks after it goes live or until about a week after the sale on the Druid class is over.
You're damn right. SSG's gotta make that profit!
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Bigjunk wrote
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it's the fastest I saw hanging out there for about an hour.
What's beating this at this time?
symb was getting 24-20 without prowess on 18 rogue, 18 kensei, 20 monk. shavara was hitting 12 without spite and without deadly rain.
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Re: Vistani Assassin
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AbominableIdiot wrote
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New bear druid can do it in 15.2 seconds.
that is amazing considering it glances aoes.
Mockduck wrote
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Rubbinns wrote
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symb was getting 24-20 without prowess on 18 rogue, 18 kensei, 20 monk. shavara was hitting 12 without spite and without deadly rain.
I saw that video, Sym had to have been using some "features" that were not intended, cosmestics for set bonuses, etc, . . . The MP didn't add up based on his Good Death proc.
Dmitiri is Shavara for what it's worth.
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AbominableIdiot wrote
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New bear druid can do it in 15.2 seconds.
Something about Bear druids being overpowered is so retarded that it doesn't bother me.
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Bigjunk wrote
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I saw that video, Sym had to have been using some "features" that were not intended, cosmestics for set bonuses, etc, . . . The MP didn't add up based on his Good Death proc.
Dmitiri is Shavara for what it's worth.
only features would be 1w from dagger set. i didnt check his buff bar for it. he wasnt using any other features that would affect times. and i think his monk time was without duality.
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Mockduck wrote
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Rubbinns wrote
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only features would be 1w from dagger set. i didnt check his buff bar for it. he wasnt using any other features that would affect times. and i think his monk time was without duality.
what video/what build was shav running? pure monk?
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harharharhar wrote
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what video/what build was shav running? pure monk?
14/6 helf. on his youtube channel.
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Rubbinns wrote
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14/6 helf. on his youtube channel.
pm me a link if you would. also yeah, this is still just such a strong build.
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fastest i got was 23 sec on my monk tho couldnt relly test that well do to the lag + dont have that many PLS on my monk and its shav
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fastest i got was 23 sec on my monk tho couldnt relly test that well do to the lag + dont have that many PLS on my monk and its shav
your time could be faster if you went halfling. i put up 24 on my 12/6/2. that was before ravenloft and with 1 rogue life, 2 dex from racial (1ap), and 3 doubleshot from 1 epic primal life.
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Mockduck wrote
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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oh i ment on my melee monk not my thower
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