Do BtA weapons stay BtA when you awaken them?

If not, do they revert when you unslot them?

5 Foot Step wrote on Nov 21^st, 2017 at 12:07pm:


Definitely not Assassin's Kiss. You're better running slice and dice on a vistani of any flavor; in particular sentient-ing Dice as it's the best DPS dagger at the moment when you consider procs and effects. Assassin's Kiss favors its namesake prestige too much to benefit all vistani flavors.

ZooperDooper wrote on Nov 26^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:


I half expect the gems to break Celestia's innate DR by adding magic type.

Edrein wrote on Nov 26^th, 2017 at 9:40am:


No, no, no.

Dice is great for high reaper trash, sure. Not for it's DPS though, it's the vorp. Slice sucks though, and the set bonus is ass, so it's double Dice if you go that route.

Best DPS (what you want to fight bosses with) is absolutely going to be double Ass Kiss. Nothing beats an extra crit multiplier, that's like the equivalent of 30 MP when you crit on a 15.

5 Foot Step wrote on Nov 26^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:


5.50 base, vorpal, Armor Piercing 20%, and Maiming? Yeah that definitely beats the extra multiplier for the sake of arguing a single dagger for whatever build (be it SWF or DW). That aside; if we're min-maxing dagger DPS then you'll be TWF running Slice and Dice for the set bonus.

5.00 base, the multiplier is arguably washed based on the fact that the base item effects on Kiss suck ass. Greater Incorp Bane? Trash except for Reapers. Improved Deception? Slightly useful I guess, I'll have it slotted somewhere else undoubtedly. Greater Dispel? Alright, pretty unique but not useful. And +6 Assassination? Lmao nice try, yeah I really want to make that my key vistani dagger build DPS endgame weapon.

Pseudonym wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 10:45pm:

eighnuss wrote on Nov 27^th, 2017 at 8:04am:


Incorrect on CiTW and FoT weapons are "named weapons". You can tell because the CiTW and FoT weapons have names.  (like Celestia, Balizarde, Agony, etc.).  The Thunderholme weapons, like Greensteel, LoB Alchemical, and Legendary Greensteel, do not have names.  Thus they are not "named weapons". 

A)  They are clearly crafted weapons.  They don't have names. 

B)  They are ML 20.  Sentient is only for ML 21 and higher. 

Here is a quick table:

Question:  Does the item have a "name"? 

Yes - It is a named weapon.

No - It is not a named weapon.

Question:  Does the item drop in game as an equippable item?

Yes - It could be a named weapon.  But it needs to have a "name'.

No-  Then it is probably not a named item.  Most named items come from loot.  Most crafted weapons (and armor) come from turn ins to a barter.  The LoB Alchemical Weapons are an exception to this.

Question:  Do you buy the item with mats from a barter?

Yes - It is probably a crafted weapon.  It also probably doesn't have a name.

No - Then it might be a named item.  if it has a name.

Question:  Can the item be upgraded in any way?

Yes - Doesn't matter.  If it has a name, it is still a named item. 

However, some upgrade systems for named items (like Epic S/S/S systems) are not actually "upgrades".  They are trade ins.  You are consuming the named item and mats in exchange for a new named item that is more powerful.  In these situations, you didn't actually "upgrade" your weapon.  You traded it for a better one.  So everything that was on the old weapon (augments, rituals from stone of change, etc) will be gone.  Think of your upgraded weapon like a car.  If you have a 2006 Ford F150 with custom wheels and after market sterio and go to the dealer and "upgrade" to a 2017 Ford F150 by giving them your 2006 Ford F150 and 20 grand in cash (they don't take tokens of the 12 or astral shards.  I tried.    ), the new 2017 F150 won't  have the custom wheels you had or the after market stereo.  Because they gave you a different one.

As a result, putting sentient Jewels, augments, and rituals on a named weapon that can be traded in is risky.  Unless you are not planning on trading it in.  If you are, I reccomend you remove the augment and jewels before trading it in.  So you keep them and put them on your new/upgraded named item. 


No -Still doesnt matter.   if it has a name it is definitely a named item.

NoGoodDoc wrote on Nov 27^th, 2017 at 9:44am:


I didn't see that post by Steelstar on the estar ones.  That's interesting.  That seems counter to the "no crafted" thing.  I stand corrected.  I suspect they will change that, though.  Allowing crafted weapons to be consumed will create an exploit loophole.

I am understanding correctly that the sentient weapon is basically a given; you do a tutorial and they hand it to you. But if you want another one, you'll need to run raids for it. Is that right?

So, does this make Cormyrian weapon roulette worth playing?  I never bothered with it, how much effort and mats would it take to get a base weapon that was worth making sentient?

Tspoon wrote on Nov 27^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

No. Prolly not even worth trading my stockpile of mats for sentient xp. The pain of seeing such a garbage system in action that many times would just cause me to "upgrade" DDO in the "barter window" that asks, "Are you sure you want to delete all files?"

5 Foot Step wrote on Nov 28^th, 2017 at 5:57pm:


Alright, I'll bite o' grand master of daggers. Explain it to me nice and slow like, I'm a bit old fashioned when it comes to weaponry.