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Absolute fastest heroic/epic TR build
Aug 30th, 2018 at 5:45am
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Title is pretty self explanatory but in your opinions what would be the absolute fastest build to get to level 20/30? No restrictions on race/class and it does not have to be viable outside of levelling. Being able to continue doing r1 without losing speed ism of coursem a bonus.

Of course survivability does factor in a bit (you're not gaining XP if you're dead) but speed is by far the biggest concern.

I was personally thinking something splashed with barb because of the asston of walking needed between quests but that is probably suboptimal from a DPS standpoint. Warlock doesn't really seem like a good fit because of the middling DPS at best. Stuff dies but it doesn't die as fast as it could.
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2018 at 6:29am
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Warlock with proper gear for heroics. For heroic AND epic I'd say whirlwind monk. (Again you need beefy gear @20.)

Epic bosses are giant meat bags.

Warlocks have the AP to afford both falcon Sprint Boost and their class consume boost.
Combine this with charms, evards, cone and OP as balls Staunch and you're set.
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Reply #2 - Aug 30th, 2018 at 6:32am
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On monk you can also take Sprint Boost, and they get that juicy class movement speed---alongside abundant step.
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2018 at 6:33am
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Save a barb for the DR pass.

Ymmv on my opinions
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Re: Absolute fastest heroic/epic TR build
Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2018 at 7:15am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Aug 30th, 2018 at 6:33am:
Save a barb for the DR pass.

Ymmv on my opinions


Hadn't heard of the DR pass yet. To be fair I just came  back from a vacation (since shortly after ravenloft released) so i'm slightly behind on the current meta. Barb is fine through heroics right now but bags of HP kind of suck with it.
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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2018 at 12:17pm
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They're convertin' the DR/- to a % reduction of all damage. It will cap out at 17% if you take stuff from Fury and Occult Slayer. It seems to have been delayed until next update.
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Reply #6 - Aug 30th, 2018 at 12:39pm
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1-20: Monk (min 6 levels, henshin)>Fighter (pure)>warlock (pure)>barbarian (min 2 levels).
20-30: warlock>any arcane>any divine>fighter (pure)>gxbow shooter.

Fighter is probably best DPS on heroics now. I think I reached 110 melee power or so on heroics, was really impressed and surprised. Yet monks are healing self machines with superb speed and umlimited abudant-steps, much better for solo zerg.
Warlock is easy button, but on lower heroics loosing dps to anything. On mid to high heroic if well built it can rock on lower skulls all way to epics, still a little slower than monk and pretty similar to fighter. Barbarian is easy button too, yet not that great.

On epics warlocks is winning race cause can do literally anything solo on any difficulty. You have instakills, shitty dps and burst damage (energy burst+divine wrath), you have abudant-steps, solid HP buff. Most arcanes and divine classes have some of it, but only warlock have everything of it.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 1:22am
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Rzyman wrote on Aug 30th, 2018 at 12:39pm:
20-30: warlock>any arcane>any divine>fighter (pure)>gxbow shooter.

Bollocks. 20- 30 caster is great force multiplier but when it comes to soloing it doesn't hold a candle to ANY deeps toon.
Blitzing tempest, fighter, barbie or monk is the easiest shit ever if you go for speed - one or two skulls.
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Reply #8 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 4:45am
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Wipe wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 1:22am:
Bollocks. 20- 30 caster is great force multiplier but when it comes to soloing it doesn't hold a candle to ANY deeps toon.
Blitzing tempest, fighter, barbie or monk is the easiest shit ever if you go for speed - one or two skulls.

Disagree. All melees wasting time on killing trash (no really cheesy and powerful weapon till 29 and no dire charge), when any arcane and divine just insta it or gather train and wrath\burst it down. For *most* melees R1 lowe epic lvl content is pretty hard until you triple-everything. So meeting 2-3 champs at once meaning you wont end this fight without some real injuries (monks and fighters in better position here cause of several CC: stun, tombs, kukan and optionally lay waste + trip), while, again, for warlock 2-3 champs is meaning pressing 2-3 button. Or just hold them and zerg away.
On bosses warlocks and any divine\arcane in general perfoming decent-to-shitty, so kinda wasting half of the quest time here (3 to 7 minutes fight if solo), so I still prefer to get some melees in a party with the hope they wont suck too hard :-D Yet overall from my own expirience its still faster to do run warlock or arcane\divine than any melee. Yet fighter is pretty close. Never tried and never seen really good one ranger on lower epics. And never tried to ignore at all mobs and end up with red alert each quest as melee. Dont think it will work or worth.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 4:57am
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You need good self-healing on a melee. I see some silly people running around without healing amp and devotion. Then complaining when they're overwhelmed by drow.

Even the champ fuck fest of oj drow in belly of the beast isn't a problem.
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Twf run balanced attacks. Thf have lay waste. Everyone takes meld.
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 8:06am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Aug 30th, 2018 at 12:17pm:
They're convertin' the DR/- to a % reduction of all damage. It will cap out at 17% if you take stuff from Fury and Occult Slayer. It seems to have been delayed until next update.


That's.... pretty good. So like an alternate source of blanket prr/mrr that has it's own %?
  
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Bushin wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 8:06am:
That's.... pretty good. So like an alternate source of blanket prr/mrr that has it's own %?

I feel like occulti tanks are possible after this change. Even before well build barbarians were possible choice for midskulls. Now, if you go 41x occulti and grab this mirrorplate for some nasty bosses... With the new hp bufff... Well still need to check on life, but it seems that r10 barbarian tanks will be avaible choice.
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 11:44am
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I think fastest 20-30 is a pure monk thrower, sprint boosting backwards.
  

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Rzyman wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 10:35am:
I feel like occulti tanks are possible after this change. Even before well build barbarians were possible choice for midskulls. Now, if you go 41x occulti and grab this mirrorplate for some nasty bosses... With the new hp bufff... Well still need to check on life, but it seems that r10 barbarian tanks will be avaible choice.

dwarf con-based barb, with new feat hp feat, and lgs 2pc, with 60~ reaper ap and past lives should be hitting 6k+ hp. That is kind of stupid lol
  

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Reply #15 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:53pm
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I doubt that. Another 1k or 2k hp won't save you when you will get hit by every attack.
That 400+ ac is still primary avoidance for tanks on live.
  
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Wipe wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I doubt that. Another 1k or 2k hp won't save you when you will get hit by every attack.
That 400+ ac is still primary avoidance for tanks on live.

Tanks on live are need only for two situation:
1) bossfight
2) aggro manager\kiter. When champs hit you for 1800\3600(crit) over 450 PRR no tank at all can stay and tank it like a boss anyway. 18% damage reduction buff is huge, so is extra 1000 hp, and this will allow barbarian to survive a couple hits from this champ. In a good group comp (heals, cc, dps) its all you need for r10.
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 2:51pm
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Wipe wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 1:22am:
Bollocks. 20- 30 caster is great force multiplier but when it comes to soloing it doesn't hold a candle to ANY deeps toon.
Blitzing tempest, fighter, barbie or monk is the easiest shit ever if you go for speed - one or two skulls.



How about speed meaning kill all trash, then swap to dps gear for bosses?  Casters can do this just fine on 1-2 skulls, and the trash will just melt away or get charmed into helping kill the boss.  Melee doesn't have quickly repeatable and sustained aoe kills from 20-28, casters do.
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 7:59pm
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You're on drugs if you think melee don't have AOE
  

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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 7:59pm:
You're on drugs if you think melee don't have AOE



I'm always on drugs.  But feel free to name the quickly repeatable and sustained aoe kills from 20-28 available for melees.

I'll help, a little.  Nah, why make it easy for you?

If you actually need a list of the quickly repeatable and sustained aoe kills from 20-28 available for casters, I might be able to show you list.
  

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Reply #20 - Sep 1st, 2018 at 8:43am
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You seem rediculous from where I'm standing, but maybe I'm wrong.

What are you willing to bet my level 20 melee completes any leveling r1 quest faster than your level 20 caster, with more kills? (Maybe some beautiful bastard in here will have an idea.)

I'd be willing to bet you a quote in my bio---whatever you want---for a quote in yours! I'd be happy with higher stakes to.

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Beyond the rift seems fun
Battle for Eveningstar
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Offering of Blood would also be fun
Spies has no boss so that would be good for you
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Reply #22 - Sep 1st, 2018 at 10:46am
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Reaper isn't going to be the absolutely fastest way to get from 20 to 30.
  

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r1 bb is fastest after you finish your necro slayers and king's forest cheese
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 10:46am:
Reaper isn't going to be the absolutely fastest way to get from 20 to 30.

Of fucking course it is. Anything r1 with first time, with or without streak. Elite, ES challenges, shit like Fens after etr
And much more fun.

I do my mirror spies after etr but if people want to waste their spare time with normal dailies x 750, good for them.

And idk what to say. ANY Blitzer will do stuff faster at level.

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