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Not sure if this place or the other is the right one to discuss if changes are OP or not. I'll settle for here.

Let's go through the list with a emphasis on stupid not to have it, on a scale from 1 (item sucks anyway) to 5 (I AM STUPID NOT TO HAVE IT). Note: I have no expertise in playing casters. My thoughts on caster items may be off the grid. Some items are not covered because of that.

Breeze. Making a Dex-based Qstaff toon is still not great. Competes (iirc) only with Epic Staff of Nat Gann, which is still better from a DPS perspective. Breeze emphasises on the CC part, both weapons are useful. 3 points.

Quiver of Alacrity. 30% striding on an otherwise not used slot? I AM STUPID NOT TO HAVE IT. 5 points. (Before upgrade 4 points for Archers, 1 point for non-Archers.)

Enduring Conviction. A Longsword. The only Slashing Banishing weapon available. Now with more Outsider Bane. Great for Devil/Demon Trash. Not a Boss Beater. Probably better than a Lit2 against selected foes. Worth the effort? Questionable.
2 points due to small margin of usefulness.

Unwavering Ardency. A +3 CC Bow. Now with more CC. Doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of Bows which provide more damage, and can bypass boss DR, if needed. Nice, but not essential for any character. 2 points.

Noxious Embers: Unsure what the update does. The item already has Greater Arcane lore. Redundant with the Cove Dagger. 1-2 if only charges are upgraded. 5 if Superior Arcane Lore.

Litany of the Dead: The Update is a mere convenience. The item was the main reason to run Abbot in the first place. 5 points; without the update: 4 points.

Wretched Twilight: The SA upgrade makes it an alternative to Tharnes, but the other parts are just too special to make it a generally wanted item. 3 points.

Deific Diadem: More charges for a Meta-Clickie. Nice. More than nice? Idk. 2 points?

Staff of the Petitioner: -

Vile Blasphemy: SP clickies are always nice, regardless of number of charges. 5 points, regardless of number of charges.

Circle of Hatred: If it's really +30%, and not +20%, then it's a 5, indeed.
Note that the post states that the incite goes up from 20% to 30%, but the item does not have +20% in the first place. If it's 20%, it's a decent item, with good bonuses, but which can be replaced by a lot of other items. 3 points in this case.

Shroud of the Abbot: Lesser Arcane Augmentation is nice, but Armor Slot has a lot of competition, and is worse than what is granted by the Epic Staff of Arcane Power.

Purging the Pantheon. A heavy fort belt, which is nice on its own. Is the clicky useful? 2-3 points.

Reaver's items:

Amulet of the Stormreaver: Silly before, marginally Useful now. If the character has enough room to make the necklace slot a swappable one, the item has its uses. 3 points.

Cloudburst: A Lit2 Greatsword. 2 points.

Dreamspitter: A Qstaff. Even with the force burst added, there are better Qstaffs around for those who like to fight with it. For casters, the upgrade is irrelevant.
3 points.

Gauntlets of Eternity: Sup Devotion IV is redundant to Sup Potency IV, which can be found on many items, on many different slots. Healing Lore is nice, but you can't rely on the crits to proc for reliable healing.
Gloves slot competes with the Gloves of the Glacier. 2 Points.

Head of Good Fortune: Huge boost. HFort makes the item suddenly more interesting to fleshies, +2 dodge has its uses. Competes with the Gem of Many Facets and The Blood Stone. 3 points.

Madstone Boots
Before the update: 5 points.
After the update: 4.5 points.
With the running enhanced, I can't tell if I'm wearing them by looking at my speed. Few characters will wear them 24/7, so both of the non Madstone Rage bonuses are rather irrelevant, especially the Potency.

Madstone Shield
Before the Update: 4 points.
After the Update: 4 points.
The shield is a great item for characters who want to use it as a situational damage mitigation method, i.e. when blocking. For offensive uses, there are better (tower) shields. To me, the upgrade is completely irrelevant.

Ring of Lies: Improved Deception on a Ring is a unique thing. But is it needed for characters who rely on sneak attacks? +1 Cha is nice, but not essential. There are more important things to slot in the ring slots. 2 points.

Napkin: Before Update: 4 points. After update: 5 points. A useful caster item has been made even more useful. Spell Pen on the Cloak slot is nice.

Tenderizer: Extra Damage. Still the only named +10 Stunning item. 3-4 points.

Treason: Before the upgrade, it's vendor trash. After the upgrade, it still competes with too many other off-hand weapons. 4 points.

Bracers: 5 points before due to stacking DD bonus, which is further enhanced, i.e. still 5 points.

Thoughts?

TL; DR: No item got worse. Many of them are more interesting now due to unique bonuses. No item looks like being vastly OP.

popejubal wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 10:33am:

It looks like the trading mechanism is limited to sands items only.

Anyone know if upgrading the GH/Abbot items changes the ML?

Also, do we have any idea on the time frame for U12 yet?

I'm approaching a 20th Reaver on a toon I'll be TR'ing and thinking seriously about waiting to see how this pans out.  Especially interesting would be the Spell Pen on the napkin before TR'ing if the ML doesn't change.

aDifferentHandle wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 10:35am:

WTF did they do scrolls?  Scrolls were not the problem with crafting epic items because they were unbound.  Seals and Shards are the hold up.  Besides a few items (Mari Chain, Torc, Chaos Blade, SoS) is there really a challenge in getting a scroll when you need it?  Claw set, abashai set scrolls are readily available, even if a bit pricy. 

I'd rather see a seal/shard trade in.  These guys always fix the wrong thing.  Ugh.

Asheras wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

This only works for Sands items.  Like, you know, three out of the four items you just listed.

Heeeeeeey abbot staff getting sup pot 6 is snazzy! Now I don't have to worry about it on my clonk.

Fuck Off wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:26pm:



At minimum it gives me a reason to run the Beaver Raid again.

Oakianus wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:


As ineffectively as you cast spells in that VoD run the other night, I thought you were madstoned.

Oakianus wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 1:30pm:


Hahahaha...

Mellow dude

Oakianus wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 1:34pm:


If you would have noticed, my fucking guild leader was trying to dance me, as well as sending me tells about the crap play of the other wizzie we took. Oh.

BOYAH

Oakianus wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:


Lol!

I think the tank did nearly bite it a couple of times because I was laughing and wasn't paying attention.

Hoblish wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 7:10pm:



I was hoping they'd add this into the game.  Really sucks sending 9999 plat at a time through the mail. 

Nexx wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:


/wave