Brae the fact that my thread pulled your ass out of lurker mode is all I need so once again fuck you. I didnt make that thread to go my way but it did give me insight on how needy forum types are. I came here because its not worth getting banned from the game for calling out pricks who cant fucking read.

It was pointed out that I never said not to heal, yet stupid fucks keep assuming any divine that makes or joins byoh wont. its stupid and I still stand by players rolling a character they enjoy playing fuck being dictated by those who think they know better.


and Atomic mew and anyone else asking I love the cleric class, I know how much work ive put into mine to make her great at combat casting,she heals, but fortunately is priveledge to run with people who dont need constant watching.


thats the feeling I get from those who argue with me that its about ego, or not healing. never did I say id never use healing spells, but because I expect people who play in challenging content to play , smart and know how to help themselves thatmeans no heals?

fine ill take the labels by those who dont fucking know me because they dont matter, this game has a ton of ways to build be self sufficient, to form groups and play. Why is it a fair argument to ask someone who loves playing a class their own way to reroll to something else when  everyone has the obvious choice to avoid them if they dont like it?


Once again to restate my cleric, fvs, druid heal when the need arise. But they were built not to just hang back or to wait for shit to go wrong, dead mobs cant damage the party. being able tograb aggro shield up let my aura keep me up is something I enjoy doing and put the work in to do so. I hope this explains it because I still dont get why people assume its about not healing.

Once again unless youve played with me your assessment is off, how is it an exaggeration that you can make a divine that does damage with their spells? Have you even tried? I know I am not the only one either there are quite a few on Sarlona who put in the time figuring out what feats to take, what spells give the most oomph.

Can we nuke as great a sorc? I guess not according to most of you but it doesnt mean we can't use our offensive spells, even testing on Lama I was getting crits of 519 playing around with the new path and I know on live I can crit for 1000 points of light damage with my radience buffs, I also utilize chaos hammer, and unholy blight when needed, worked on things to boost negative energy to harm living things and get a nice crit heal on pale masters.

I love this class and how dare you or anyone else assume because of caparison to other classes that it cannot be viable in quests and raids. It took me 6 years to get Kam where she is I still can do a lot more and get a lot more done with her but I know what I am capable of in quest and raids.

I know what the class can bring to the party outside just healing and once again its not a matter of not tossing heals, but when you don't have to all the time the class would be pretty damned boring if you didn't do something to make it more versatile and this is my opinion on that.

But again and sorry if this comes off as bitchy but im really sick of people telling me what the class can't do, feel free to never ever group with me because obviously we play in far different circles.

buckeye wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:09pm:



Lol, well those days were pre Rad Servant and level cap 16. So yeah, I've changed a bit in that I'm not such a tightwad with heals and trying to beg, borrow and stretch everything out. Back then it was much more a challenge to heal elite raids at level with the tools I was left to play with. Not to mention the stigma that was attachted to perform at a certain level. I always did, and saved many of raids but it was much harder then it is today. In todays game, it's extremely easy to heal a group.

Kalari wrote on Apr 13^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:



You realize who you are talking to right?

The guy that makes lots of hybrid divine caster builds. Has maxed out his divines to be the best they can.

You are not talking to some noob who has never played the class and has no idea what they can do. I know exactly what they can do and what they can't. You seem to be holding on to what you wish they could do.

Sad fact, divine casting sucks.

Without the bonus feats a wizard gets a divine will never get the spell pen/dcs to be usefull past EH without alot of energy drains. And that's not SP effective.

Sad fact, with EDs divine melee sucks.

I put alot into my character. To see her with one of the best weapons in game, come close to DPS pre motu to going to not even in the same ball park DPS after EDs opened my eyes.

I know what the class can do, it can be really fun. It can juggle all those abilities, pick and choose your targets for spell casting, melee a bit for some additional DPS to what the true melee bring, but I don't fool myself one bit.

The strongest ability I have is to heal. And for me it's not that hard to do so. I do so, while I do other things. I also, don't complain about it. If I don't feel like healing, I solo or log on an alt. But, I sure as hell don't bitch about the woes of healing on a class that does it the best, and pretend that the class can do things it cannot.

But that is just it Atomic mew im not asking anyone to play my way, I asked why other people feel the need (in the ddo boards) to tell others how to play, id never begrudge anyone who wants to play a cleric as healing focused only, I have a really great friend on Sarlona who plays her cleric that way crits in the high thousands with her heals she loves it, I love grouping with her because she gets tickled.

Id never tell her 'oh your just a heal bot re roll."

Yet players who play clerics the way I do are always met with scruntiny on the boards because the people accusing them of things can't or wont put the effort into the builds to see where they can go.

they throw in the same mantra "well you will never be good..."

how fair is that? I was not asking for anyone who could heal to stop doing so, I am just asking for a little respect for different play styles and instead got told "you don't heal, you need to re roll." Its why I get so damned pissed off, its not right period.

Feklar wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

If you check out the divine enhancements board, you'll see that Vaulties account for a decent percentage of the posts there. There are probably more, but I've seen posts from me, Kalari, Grace, and Flav in several threads.

Kimberlite wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:


I am waiting until I can get in to look at the stuff and count my points before unleashing ire. Poor poor clerics. I dont PUG mine as it is...

I finally got sodding Pando to work but now it's stuck at Connect. Looks from the log someone posted that something borked the updater patch on Saturday...

Feklar wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

Hey, I spent several hours on the lama forums trying to see it changed so that this argument can carry on in perpetuity.

I haven't run a quest this weekend, or even logged in today. I just can't be arsed to log in and run a character knowing that the current dev thinking behind the enhancement pass will make me ragequit. This enhancement pass is making me wish I had bought Guild Wars 2 when it was on sale a few weeks ago.

Kimberlite wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

They're ruining the existing PREs first, then we get new PREs Someday(TM).

Vanshilar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:


Yep.  One expects almost incomprehensible stupidity here.