1992fxrs wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 1:04am:


NWO is hemorrhaging them faster... The only thing I keep doing at NWO is the crafting... because they made a relatively nice crafting system... and for that I don't even have to log into the game.

You cannot kill that which is already dead

1992fxrs wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 4:29am:


Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl ghostbane fhtagn.

in the year 2525, if man is still alive...

Bigjunk wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 9:27am:


Yes.

Flav wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 2:58am:


Yeah NWO has a high turnover, but they have the recruitment to keep up with it. DDO doesn't have that luxury. I'm not saying DDO will fold this year and NWO flourish for years to come, but the churning is hurting DDO a lot more than it's hurting NWO.

The thing is, NWO is decent for casual players. It sucks for people who want to learn a complex rule set and figure out high yield paths, but with the constant changes so does DDO for all but the fastest players. DDO is painting themselves into a corner where their customer base is people who want the complexity AND can level fast enough to keep ahead of the constant changes.

That "AND" makes for a small intersection of 2 already modest player bases.

There is a lot DDO could learn from Neverwinter, though unfortunately even what they try to learn they corrupt.

Neverwinter has a fantastic crafting system. Not a ton of "end game" to it, but it's more addictive than Farmville on your phone. DDO has more than a dozen crafting systems, none of which are compatible with each other, and most of which produce irrelevant trash.

Neverwinter gives characters a ton of free storage for crafting ingredients, and they are transferable between characters. DDO makes you buy storage, which is buggy and bound to character, and it's the source of constant exploits.

NWO has a web interface that works on my iPad, and I can mail, auction, and craft there. DDO killed their web interface, and even at it's (admittedly sickly) peak it couldn't handle mail, crafting, or auction.

NWO has 3 currencies, and switching between them isn't too difficult. DDO has serious currency problems and conversion, for the most part, isn't possible. Even the attempt to reduce the number of currencies (Tokens to Commendations) was screwed up by making them BtC and required in stacks too large to fit in the bags you have to buy. It's not like Turbine couldn't figure out account wide currency, they do it with Astral Shards. They could easily have made Commendations work the same way.

I hate the 4.0 rule set, but I can log in on any given night and have a high probability of finding at least one guild mate. And we haven't done a guild run on DDO in months, but usually have at least one a week in NWO. Even if nobody's on, I can find a 20 minute adventure regardless of what level I am. I play MMOs to socialize with my friends, and for nearly all my friends DDO died earlier this year.

It kills me to see Cryptic take their 4.0 lemons and make a drinkable, if somewhat bland and saccharine, lemonade, while Turbine takes their 3.5 Cabernet Sauvignon grapes and makes vinegar.

I can't decide if I hope Hasbro lets Turbine keep the license in 2015, or if I hope they give it to another company and let them have a try - "... a game with 8 bit graphics based on d20 could steal your whole player base ..."

Durk wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 12:23am:

OH! I DO I DO! PICK ME!

Alex DeLarge wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:57pm:


Meh, again.  MMO Gaming Forums.  Where critical thinking = Fanboi and childish temper tantrums and poor anger management = Realistic/Rational Thinker. 

I have been critical of Turbine's mistakes.  I just don't over-react like a 3 year old who had my lollipop taken away. 

I also still enjoy playing the game and don't want to see it fail. 

Most of you treat DDO like an ex-girlfriend (try to imagine actually having had one for a second) who broke up with you (obviously) and you spy on her and call your mutual friends cutting on her new boyfriend and talk about how ugly she is and you can't believe how you even went out with her in the first place.  Oh, and dreaming up scenarios where she loses her job, becomes unemployed, and is forced into prostitution. 

Quit acting like a stalker-ish butt hurt loser. 

Asheras wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

Quick! He's getting gall defensive and butt hurt, hit him while he's down!

Meursault wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

And for my part not content designed to nickle and dime players thru, "want a teleport/access to x/etc,  please give me some shards".

Bigjunk wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

I agree with this 100%.  I hate all the systems changes and too-soon level cap raises that killed end-game.  The new Epic TR system is just another mess waiting to happen. 

Release more content.  That's the key to success. 

In fact, here would be their 3 step path to success:

1.  Consolidate ingredients.  (Comms, Tokens, Trophies, Relics, Shards, Binding Shards, Runes, Scales, etc.)  One of the best things they did was when the released Amrath they REUSED Medium Shards and Medium ingredients from Shroud.  It was fucking brilliant.  And only happened once.  If they can't change what drops in game right now, just provide a barter box vendor in the Marketplace and Eveningstar (or Hall of Heroes) to interchange them.  How hard would that be?

2.  Fix Loot so that all the prefixes and suffixes drop in game.  (Bring back the ones you took away.  Banes other than Ghostbane.  Convalesence, etc....). 

3.  Release more quests.  Then release some more.

Repeat step 3. 

Done. 

At a later time, feel free to squeeze in:

Updating Cannith Crafting to be in sync with loot that drops in game. 

Finishing 3 PrE's per class and Racial PrE's. 

But NOT at the cost of content.  Keep the content flowing. 

Persiflage wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:19am:



SAN Check time !!!!