fixed u20 according to lam patch notes.

Vendui wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:



Good luck with that now!

PirateBootie21 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:



Lulz... Asian = Elite at everything.. i trust his math too

SwashbucklerHater wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 5:17am:


So I asked him to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass, or that I hadn't heard him wrong, and yea, he went all asian on me.

"It's a lot more than 5-10%. It's more of a 300-500%.

So basically: Neg level proc reduced mob HP by a retarded amount based off of base HP.
One Neg level on a scaled EE mob can be worth anywhere from like 500 to 1k hp. (Or more in the case of some orange names I guess)

200/20 = 10 damage per hit avg. (Ultra worst case scenario for example only)

500/20 = 25 damage per hit avg. (Realistic conservative scenario based on a number of factors such as: prior damage, existance of orangenames that skew the dps increase significantly, and the existence of things that don't get neg leveled that skew it the other way)

1000/20 = 50 damage per hit avg. (An unlikely scenario based on minimal prior damage and the existence of orange names, ignores the (subtraction of a huge amount) as my estimate to correct for the existence of scenarios that prevent neg levels)


Current best redslot augments are 2d6 or 7 per hit.

10 (Ultra Faggotcase scenario) is 143% of that.
25 (conservative estimate scenario) is 357% of that.
50 (more of a better/best case trash only scenario) is 714% of that.

Further, elemental resistances and immunities are prevalent; that 7 elemental per hit isn't actually 7 per hit at all when averaged out over ddo (element respective of course, no comments here element wise). Elemental resistances of magnitudes greater than 7 are found far more often than an immunity to negative levels, making the relative DPS increase far higher as well.

Note: Comments regarding Bosses being immune to neg levels can be partially ignored by the tendency for bosses to have elemental resist as well. The existence of undead (while less prevalent at endgame) however, as well as rednames, leads to the severe gap between the conservative and bestcase scenarios.

Also: All numbers are estimates based off of my best guesses for a nice round average value that takes into partial consideration all prior factors as well as several unlisted. They will be highly affected by scaling and are based on the assumption that you are running epic elite only."

PirateBootie21 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 8:17am:


Ask your friend to make a Vault account.

His reasonably exhaustive analysis is good stuff.

Mabar more like gaybar.

OldCoaly wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:42am:


He's got a Vault account. Look for an inordinate amount of Moose around his posts. Meese? We say meese.

OldCoaly wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:53am:


no, it reduces the MAX hp of the mob. so i fthe mob its already damage, you dont win anything apart from the -2 to saves (that will last few seconds cause its epic)

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/407401-Negative-Level-Max-HP-Effect-on...

Dickbutt wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 10:14am:


Idk, he's the asian not I, I'm just referencing his post for the purpose of stuff.

OldCoaly wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 10:54am:


No.
Current max HP refers to current max HP. Not current actual HP.

The only way neg leveling a mob will reduce its actual HP is if its max HP drops below its max HP.

ctyrell wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 10:16am:



Dickbutt wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 10:14am:


Laraeph wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 10:57am:


DickButt, your post helped me the most to understand my mistake.


CTyrell, If the mob is already damaged, but the amount of damage is less than where the mob would be if neg-leveled, you come out ahead with the neg level (in addition to the soft benefits of reduced mob stats and saves).

Your example of 10 hits @ 100hp/hit on a 10k mob reducing HP to the same level as one neg level is valid.


Thank you all for helping me to understand the game better.

Who cares about all this augment bs when we have ghostbane?