Was directed at Cdr's comment Munk.

Preferring 2 FvS for the reasons you listed is eminently reasonable.

Calling 4 pally worthless?
Worthless.

Shat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:


I instantly wrote it off at first too ><, after really looking into it over the course of this thread I'll be TR'ing my monkcher into a Bladeforged, (2fvs.)  It's not reconstruct that's bought me around though, It's was the following factors:
Power of the forge stacking with damage boost
Weapon attachment's Addy + 2 ED feats silver and byeshk bypassing +cold iron from fury = virtually full time metaline

No matter how I look at it, the stats are underwhelming.
The best distribution I can see is:

16str+5tome+2levels
14dex+5tome+2levels
10con
8int
16wis+5tome+3levels
8Cha

The charisma ends up being a little low though: 26 (8mod) 8base+5tome+10item+1exceptional+2insight

Given how low the Cha is I definitely won't consider Paladin until we get more stat inflation from tomes / gear.

*edited for accuracy*
*i'll be sticking with elf*

Because they dpnt calue saving throws. Fra kly i think that comes down to a playstyle choice. I preder to stand and deliver on Big baddies in AF for the extra damage and not worry anoit moving as much.

More mobile styles require less savong theows sonce you can just dtay put of range or dodge rays and AoEs.

Some may beg to differ

Munkenmo wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:


I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but Power of the Forge does not stack with other damage boosts. It might look like it stacks, but it doesn't. There are a few reasons why people think that they stack:

1. if you use damage boost first and then Power of the Forge, you will see both of their icons on buff bar, but that's only because Power of the Forge also gives other bonuses that Damage Boost doesn't, so it can't completely replace the Damage Boost icon, thus it shows both of them

2. if you have a 30% Damage Boost, you will see both icons on your buff bar no matter the order that you use your boosts in, because Power of the Forge can't replace Damage Boost since the boost has 10% more dmg and Damage Boost can't replace Power of the Forge, since Power of the Forge has the extra PRR, Spell Power and other junk.

While testing Power of the Forge I felt like there is something wrong with the numbers that I was seeing and I tested it with a 20% Damage Boost. When I hit Damage Boost after Power of the Forge, the Damage Boost icon was being replaced by Power of the Forge, which assured me that my feeling about the numbers was right.

As for other point that you brought up.

Weapon Attachment is kind of crappy. You loose it everytime you swap weapon, which basically means that everytime you want to scroll something (Tenser!!!), you loose it. All this wouldn't be so bad if not for super long cast time and longish cooldown. Also, wanting it just for breaking addamantine DR is kind of silly lol. That's what Metalline Arrows Imbue is for! No need to waste 2 feats for it too. 

I learned that the hard way a while ago when I took both spellpower boosts from druid tree and human tree and happened to check my spellpower one day

Thats good information on stacking damge boosts.

Thanks.

Harharhar...I tried your BF monkcher build on Lam. I'm a noob for monkcher builds but it seems pretty awesome (I guess pretty much all monkcher builds are these days though). Only problem I have with it so far is it is a hog when it comes to APs. I can't seem to get some of the stuff I want. How do you spend your APs?

Hathorian wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 5:23pm:


Well according to most of the people in this thread it's the Gimpest, silliest, dumbest, down right retarded BF monkcher build around.

To be fair, in the extremely small marginal differences between Monkcher builds, mine is slightly less mobile, potentially just a hair less on the DPS depending on Stat distribution, and but defensively probably the strongest. Now some people in here like to talk about saves being for lazy people or some such nonsense. I say that's really down to play style. I played a non pally splash version my previous life, and I spent more time dead, which is a SERIOUS hit to DPS, so I say it's at worst a wash, at best maybe better.

Whatever. If you're new to monkchers, it's probably the best monkcher build for you. It's close to indestructible, good self healing, great DPS, you'll love it. Just get some displace clickies.

My build uses Power of the Forge, Racial Seeker and Weapon attachment. The reason being:

-My Tensors chance to cast from scroll buffed is only like 60%. That's WAY too much wasted time trying to get it off that could just be shooting something, albeit slightly slower than with 28 BAB.

I spend the ABSOLUTE bare minimum in AA, which I think is 32 pts for Slayer arrow and the final tier of elemental arrows. I take Damage boost and Sniper shot in DWS. I think I took enlightenment or whatever it's called in Henshin. To be honest, I've been out of game for a month and simply can't remember how I have my points spent. I also experiment all the time, like recently moving over to LD full time, and actually going quite deep into DWS for 25 stack of AF on raid bosses, thought that sort of sucked.

I don't think I have anything in Shintao, maybe 1 pt in HAMP since I wear a 20% Gilv. Ring and 30% Conv Bracers of Parrying. Makes me actually quite healable in raids. Obviously, I've spent enough to get DM, and no more in Pally.

Shat make a good argument for scrolling Tensors and skipping Weapon Attachment, though racial seeker 5 is still really nice. If you can easily slot/PL/whatever to consistently get your UMD high enough to no fail tensors, that's all good and you skip to weapon attachment. Now that Shat has shat on Damage Boost and Forge damage not stacking, its less attractive. Though I thill think having 16 damage boosts is awesome for longer quests/raids. 20% damage bonus on demand is nothing to sneeze at, but it's not as cool as 50% if they stacked.

The cores in DWS are great, but the first 3 tiers seem like crap to me. Is Sniper shot that great? It looks really nice since it has a 6 second cooldown. I'm guessing it would work nicely with manyshot and fury.

Hathorian wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:30am:


Sniper shot IMO is second only to Slayer arrow. It gives autobluff (read: survival) plus it's +2 crit mulit which is huge in any destiny. 6 sec cooldown, and not SP cost. I I don't like to live without it anymore. People ignored it for a long time but I LOVE it

So, what PLs would be beneficial to a monkcher? Other than 3x Ranger, ofc.

Munkenmo wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 11:08pm:


Time to put some stones to use