sry was thinking of my old ranger build...that's how ling it's been since i used a stone for lvls 1-18. 

I meant qstaff for levels, with dex from monk/monk depending on leveling order

I'm at lvl 17, currently 9Mnk/5Wiz/3Rog. I'm sitting at 53 dex. I had planned to TR right at 20 but I think I'll stay a while. With Halfling crit range fixed I'm critting on 13-20 now (still using Snow Star since I never made a GS shuri and didn't have a key to get to Eveningstar).

I figure I'll want to flesh out a few more destinies and look to make an epic Envenomed Blade and pick up a few challenge shurikens first. I have enough ingreds to make a tier 2 Tforged also. I still have a long way to go with gear though, I'm only sitting on a +2CON tome, so HP are embarrassing currently.

Packfan wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

Hey, I'm running a halfling version with 9rog/6mnk/5wiz and it's been working great.

At level 24, I've got a 68 Dex with ship buffs (no pots) and I'm very pleased.

I only have 3x colors running as EPL and though I have multiple HPL (3x pally is probably the most significant) I'm far from completionist.

I guess my point is that you'll do fine.

Funniest thing recently is I was soloing EE Claw of Vulkoor at lvl 23 and had a record Sorbien beat down... under 2 secs! I was like, "Wha? Where'd he go?".

Then I see a frog hopping around my screen, lol!

While 3x colors of the queen is nice (especially for levelling), I think 3x fast healing would have been a better choice for end game but there ya go.

BTW, enervation on Epic Envenomed Blade isn't working right now so don't rush to make one.

I'm worried about HP mostly. Just took 18 and sitting at just about 400, with a CON8 item. I guess Improved Evasion will compensate for it though. I'm guessing that getting Epic Destinies and decent weapons will make a big difference and won't let me worry as much.

If enervation isn't working for Epic Envenomed Blade then what would be a good alternative until Celestia? I'm guessing Epic Mournlode?

I'm still at 18 so I got a while to go before I have endgame gear. I guess I should start hunting down a True Globe.

For offhand I'll start with Celestia and make a TF as soon as I can. I'd really like to get a Deception weapon offhand but finding a shortsword or kama with it has been impossible so far. I'm wearing Golden Guile with the hopes to make one epic at some point.

This is the first toon where I'm actually sitting and really focusing on, my others I run up into epics then play a new toon, or TR someone. I'm thinking this one might get a lot of play so I'm willing to invest the time and resources.

By 18 I dominate kill counts in all groups on Khyber Every life I stoned to 18. I only stone to 18 now since I have Stones forever.

I don't know below that but I would say ones you have IPS, 10k, and over 45 Dex you'll be pretty bad ass. If you have a good Shuriken.

I've been using it since lvl 8 so, almost exclusively. I'm still using my trusty Snow Star. I was using a decent pair of handwraps for undead for a while for some content but use a shuriken for them now also. I just picked up IPS at 18 and it's my first time really giving it a try. I'm still getting used to how to target properly.

Lately I've been consolidating ingredients to make a couple Eveningstar shuriken and plan to make some Tforged items since I'm not really playing other toons. I should hopefully hit 20 today.

For me (not great gear, no awesome tomes, only 2nd life, nothing crafted) I'm sitting at 56 Dex. On normal attacks my first number is about 31ish, crits are about 90, SA is 20-30, then icy burst from snow star on crits which I crit on 13-20. I have deception and improved deception so I get a decent amount of SA.

Depending on the group I'll get a decent amount of kills. If there's a TR Sorc zerging then no, I'm on cleanup really. Last group I was in was doing some of the lvl 15 Druid quests in Estar on elite. I had easily twice as many kills as anyone else in the party including the TR FvS, but it was a pretty bad group. With a half decent group I'm at least keeping up but I'm still learning how to use IPS correctly.

But a decent caster is easily outkilling me. Haven't had many melees in my groups lately.

Packfan wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 8:22pm:


Can you break down your 56 Dex? I'm only hitting mid-forties or so.

Vissarion wrote on Jun 24^th, 2014 at 9:18am:


Hmmmm... Let's see if I can do the math AND remember what I had at level 18 correctly...

20 start
4 increases
4 tome
9 item, ToD 6 w/ 2 insight, 1 exceptional
1 Litany, profane
2 Wind Stance
6 enhancements
4 Tensers
6 Shadow Dodge
2 Ship
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58 Total

Vissarion wrote on Jun 24^th, 2014 at 9:18am:


20 Start
4 Tome
4 Levelups
8 Item (from some Wheloon quest end reward)
4 Tensers
6 Shadow Dodge
3 Wind Stance
2 Halfling Enh
2 EK Enh
1 NS Enh
2 Ship

Real world data suppport... Yea right..
I have done all classes x3, all iconics x3, played every single build multiple times and closing triple epic compl without using a single box..
And i can assure you, a good caster WILL always OUTKILL a shuri in heroics.
EVEN THAT PARTICULAR BUILD.
Guidlie is played exactly this build.
And a caster in heroics will outkill him. And has.
ALWAYS.
Things change once shuri guys gets mortal and that is case of endgame and lv 28, but before then esp in heroics HE WONT EVER outkill a good caster.
Equally good caster and equally good shuri guy, without mortal shuri will always be behind from my own testing and experience, and i played with shuri guys that have soloed whatever you can imagine on their shuri builds.
With mortal and lv 28 gear it is superb, but before that its not even close to a good caster.
You either havent ever played a good caster or grouped with one if you are claiming a shuri can out kill em in heroics.
Case closed.
Real world data? Seems like you are a little blind and not understanding that lv 28 =/ lv 1-27.

Im not trolling or anything, i love this build, find it extremely fun, but my elitist asshole attitude cannot allow a false remark to go undiscussed since im a stubborn ox when it comes to things i know that are false.
To say, you havent played one, so you dont know is funny as i have played one, and i dont consider myself a terribad player.
But i have also played every other single thing and what a zerging wf sorc/drow with top gear can do in heroics a shuri cant.
Simply, you have access to enough sp to nuke every single quest in shortest ammount of time.
The 10 sorc 10 plife split is not popular for no particular reason.

Bdw accoring to data, highest population server is the one set up to be as default one, aka this time cannith.
Having a bunch of tards on server doesnt make your server pro

Shadehater wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:


Kill stealing casters?
How can you kill steal when you 1 shot or insta kill em?
Explain please.
Yes im being a ass, but only cuz i dont forgive retarded remarks and claims that are beyond idiotic and not truth.
Liking something and claiming its the best or something actually being good are 2 seperate worlds.
In case of shuri, its epic levels are good, its lv 28 is superb but its heroic levels are utter garbage compared to heroic tr zerg builds.
For people who dont know that, i can only say 1 thing: i feel sorry for you