Wait, wait ooze would proc on shuri if you have it in offhand?
Harrr, me thinks me got a fun thing to do once ban is lifted

Want to do a 12 ranger 6 monk 2 palie shuri, but option if you want to do shadow dodge would be 11 ranger 6 monk 3 rogue.
(il do the palie version since that template is rly nice for shuri/tempest so can do both builds when etring and get boring from one or the other, also nice to get martial/divine/primal ep plifes)

Pretty sure i have mats for blade, but no rebelion, totaly trashed it or passed to others when i pulled. But envenom should be ok, put devotion in it and viola

I'm looking to TR into a Halfling variant. I don't have completionist so it looks like it'll work out about the same in the end. Plus if things ever get fixed then I think Halfling will be the way to go, and I don't plan to TR this toon again.

I'd like to try with fewer Monk levels but it seems like the feats won't work out. I think 12/5/3 ends up being the perfect split.

I suppose Improved Evasion isn't a necessity but it does look like I can make the feats work as a 9Mnk/6Wiz/5Rog or 9Mnk/6Rog/5Wiz split. No completionist and no need for dodge means I can use one of the Monk feats for Shuri expertise and the normal feat for Master of Forms. 6Rog would let me pick up Tumbler which is nice without twisting Unearthly Reactions.

I looked at builds with more Wiz but I couldn't find a synergy I liked. Ideally I'd want 12 Wiz for Wraith and undead healing but that means giving up Shadow Dodge which is a big loss.

Yeah, more Wiz has its appeal, but if the goal is to use it for self-healing then it won't work for me, since having to recast auras just isn't my style. I want enough SP to be able to cast whatever buffs I need, plus some healing. I thought about a Bladeforged route, which might actually work better for a 2nd life for me, which saves a twist for healing and would give me more time to unlock more trees, but it would definitely be behind in DEX.

I appreciate the discussion. Maybe I'll go Forged with a 9/6/5 split for now, get into epics quicker to get more items/ingreds/etc, then TR into a halfling for a third life so I don't have to rely on others to open elite in heroic content.

Did the halfling thrower enhancements get fixed in the current Lama build? I have nearly got my candidate toon ready for TR'ing into this build 

No, I can't abide using short-term scrolls either; it takes too much time out of killing things.  I don't even tend to use clickies of sub 5 minutes, except for set-piece encounters where I know they're going to be particularly useful. 

I see your point about the platform, but I find I'm balking a little at giving up Improved Evasion (although that ought not to be necessary on such a high-dex build) and Master of Forms as a freebie...  there's just No Such Thing as too many feats

Hit lvl 4 so I get Dex to dmg with shuriken now, and with a 29 Dex I'm getting a decent chance to make a second throw (and a third) considering the level.

My only issue is that I'm not getting offhand procs with my returner. I'm assuming only some returners get procs? I have a really nice offhand kama I was hoping to use.

I have a lacerating kama in my offhand currently, and not getting slicing or bleed.

I have a maiming kama I can try, and a shortsword I can try now too. The shuri I'm using is a randgen +1 returning silver, or something along those lines. Pretty vanilla.

There aren't many options on the AH for returners (none last time I looked), and even offhand weapons don't have a ton of choices.

Packfan wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 7:17am:



Your pretty much stuck with the shadow star and snow star till you can use a GS shuriken.  If you craft you could use those. Things start to be pickup once you get to 16 and get a ES shuriken.

As for offhand weapons, seeker isn't to bad at that level. You could make something like a lit II kama or short sword  for the lightning proc, or another type of GS combo.  Armor piercing works too.

Or if your lucky find one of those old acid torrent, Electric Storm, Fiery Detonation , or Freezing Gale random loot weapons.

Jiudark wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 2:06pm:


Enervation on my Epic Envenomed blade works great.

It would seem CRAFTED off hand weapons, like GS and Alchemical, are either no longer, or never did, proc effects with a shuriken.

Case in points is Epic envenomed blade enervation and armor piercing, or Celestias Greater Sunburst proc, which both work great.

Lootgen/Named for offhand procs only I guess. I have tested TF Draconic Reinvigoration and Armor peircing and both apply off hand however.

Looks like I need to research a list of good offhand affixes then, because the damage just isn't there in these early levels so I've just been using handwraps and meleeing everything down. Even with my terrible STR it's still faster.

On any monk related build/dex based i just use breeze and chieftain spear in heroics, no matter the focus.
Mainly since breeze is so much freaking fun, one of rare things i realy love in ddo