Also, that's without 10k, there would be even more scrolling numbers there it if was active of course

Halfmaniac wrote on May 9^th, 2014 at 8:49am:



Well my build is called "the Sand blaster" so that should answer your question! 

The front end damage is blah, just whatever my dex bonus gives me plus some enchanment, The first number is seldom over 90, I don't chase the drow weapon pluses on my build, just looking for volume.

The key for me is the spellplauge Shuriken, double rainbow, poison quiver, AA imbue, etc.. I try to stack as many numbers into each throw as possible, so lots and lots of smaller numbers, hence "sand blaster".  When using the right spellplauge shuriken every throw has at least 10 separate numbers attached, really fills the screen quickly.

On a side note when I throw my ranged attacks like slaying shot, and mercy shot, they all get multiplied just as every other shot, so on those I do stack up some heavy damage, I try to jump back into archer focus to build up Dam % before throwing those if possible, but otherwise use the Improved precise shot to cc with the shuriken.  The most I have ever gotten was 6 slaying shuriken spawned with 10k stars running with all 6 doing 750+.

Hope that helps some.

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Proc damage is highest on properly built TF weapons at end game, not Spelltouched shurikens. They are nice for ETR'ing though.

Its not speculation, it's just math.

Touch of Flames: 10-60 = 35 Average Proc Damge
Dragons Edge or Aoe Fire Proc: DE is 70*.1 = 7 Average Damage per hit
Mortal Fear = 8 to 64:   36 Average Proc Damage, but it's ENORMOUS power  comes in it's 5% proc which does thousands of damage to mobs if they have thousands of hitpoint. This is almost impossible to Calculate on a per/throw basis, but it VASTLY eclipses any other proc on TF and all possible procs on a Spelltouched.

Som 35 + 7 + 36 = 78 Proc Damage per throw + unclaculable proc effect on non red/purple mobs that does THOUSANDS of damage 5% of the time.

Please, tell me where you get a spelltouched Shuriken that can do that. It is my opinion that such a weapon does not exist.

Yup eveningstar challange Shuriken, I have bought and recycled about three dozen in the past year until I got ones that were just what I needed.

Also of note, the Lv 24 ES shuriken actually produces 8 effects on each throw the first four are set as the weapon, the the second four effects are randomly generated every time the shuriken is thrown.

This combined with improved precise shot in any kind of crowd of none red named produces erosion.

For Red names I will switch out to some other star on occasion.

Lets just look hypothetically at an ideal Cormyrian throw for fun:

First Static Mod: 2-12, avg 7 per missle (whatever, light, fire, frost, you pick) - Dealers Choice!

Second Static Mod: 9.15 dmg/hit avg. with Lightning Strike. I'm fairly certain this highest consistent DPS mutation for the second effect.

Third Static Mod: This one is utility, and there are no DPS options short of I think Imp Curse/Curse which are horrendous. Set this to Life Stealing, or Crippling which is semi useful. This makes it even with the slot on a TF you can put a Level Drain augment in which you should if it's for trash. Meteoric for trash immune to level drain/bosses. Edit: Sorry. There is a small DPS one that can go here over Level Drain: Roaring which is 2-12 on a crit so 7.5*0.10 = basically nothing ok it's really .75 damage per missle/per throw. Changing absolutely none of the calculus here.

Fourth Static Mod: There are all sorts of horrible things that can spawn here on a Corm star that ruin what would otherwise be a top shelf weapon. Alas, there are 2 good mutations for this tier: Hemorrhaging and Fracturing. Since one only works on stuff with blood, and the other only works on stuff with bones, and since they're so close in damage, let's just say 7.5 average damage here.

so:

7+9.15+7.5= 23.65 Damage.

Now, let's get crazy. Let's just say every single time you threw a cormyrian thrower with these idealized stats, Unbelievably, every. single. time. the spellplague effects were the very same idealized ones on the star itself!!1!?. Wouldn't that be a sight.

So 23.65x2 =  47.3 avg damage per missle/per throw. Well, as I mentioned above, in calculable proc damage without an augment slotted a properly constructed TF shuriken is doing 78 Damage per missle/per throw. And that's WITHOUT it's base damage increase over a Corm which is 2(d2) vs. the TF's 4.5(d2), which in and of itself is 3.75 dmg per missle/per throw.

No possible mutation of a lvl 24 Cormyrian shuriken in any conceivable situation could ever possibly do even 75% of the proc and base damage of a Thunderforged shuriken, as demonstrated in this example.

And of course, that's only if your Spelltouched never procced Aligned, or Silver, or Curse, or Paralyze, or Parrying, or Freezing Ice, or or or or.....

Does that make sense?

Edit 2:TF Tier 3 are +12! vs. a Corm's +6. So add ANOTHER 6 on TF over and above a Cormyrian, which was not included in the original calculation for TF shuriken damage. I wouldn't be surprised if the damage difference between a Corm and TF Teir 3 in real world play wasn't in the neighborhood of say...Corms doing 40% the DPS of a Tier 3 TF shuriken.

Ha!! you will not convince me with you Maths and rational Thought Sir!!! ha ha ha!  I am immune to it!!!


Now pardon me as I put fingers in my ears and shout "nyah -nyah, nay nay!!!! I cant hear you!!! la la la la!!!!"  in a effort to save face, in a argument I am clearly losing.

harharharhar wrote on May 9^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Thank you for the highly informative and in-depth explanation. Many of my friends will be tr'ing out of monkcher, and into star chuckers.

glad to help

harharharhar wrote on May 9^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:


You seem to know how to do math, but then you keep posting inacurate conversions like this.

The comparisons between spelltouched and thunderforged are bang on though, not sure what mayyboy was thinking there.

*goes back to studying for calculus exam*

As Dex approaches 80, 1 point of dex approaches 1% damage for purposes of shuriken procs/missles (as in total DPS). This would be further increased by the increase in base damage when Dex is the ability mod to damage...I guess?

epic envenomed blade is awesoem for trash because of enervation or until you get dragons edge for it's armor piercing. And it has a red slot which is great.

Also, get the highest Deception Weapon you can (V-VII for +10-14 SA damage) you can too if you've gone SA route and have deception/iDeception on body slots. Celestia is only about 5 damage/throw which is easily eclipsed by most proc effects (disintegration, LS, etc) BUT it's AoE, and it has a blind effect so it's quite good on trash for that reason. It's a real shitty weapon to use to take down a big bag of HP though.

And of course, Thunderforged. I recently made a really nice Earth, Water, Fire Alchemical Kama and sadly NONE of the procs which work on other off hands (Earthgrab, Corrosive Salt, Crushing Wave) were proccing on my shuriken. I think it's specific to Alchemicals but they don't work as off hands

Greensteal too can be good for some things like a Heal Amp stick, or Ooze just for fun

I have a +5 Wisdom tome and a Litany, though I usually run eGem of many facets over Litany.