harharharhar wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:


Spirit is kinda buggy, but warlock aura works like most self auras (cleric radiant savant, death aura spell) in that you generate 2 spirit per tick.  Ofc the usual every 3 second stipulation remains in effect. So in theory attacking with the aura will generate you your max 3 sprit every 3 seconds.  Its still not enough to keep tree form up permanently. However, with the zerging you can do tree form isn't needed up permanently.

harharharhar wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

yep. Barb 10%+stalwart 10%. Or 12 monk for 20%.

Apart from PDK pl sprint boost, what other benefits do you get? did you choose PDK to get to cap ASAP?
Cause, assuming i guessed your feat choices right... that must be hell of a slow ass build to play in heroics... unless you got friends who carry you to cap.

EDIT: Nvm, obviously you could use the warlock levels to do fast clearing in quests.

del don't want nerfed

Because supreme cleave uses damage die amount of shapeshifting (71), twf using IC:B while shapeshifted, but damage die type (2d8) of weapon, and damage type (slashing) of weapon.

And you spend some time out of tree form gathering spirit, so you want glancing blows + light damage on hit for human form.

Also I would drop completionist for extend due to displacement time.

Supreme Cleave, GC, and WW have offhand attacks, and use double strike, when unarmed TWF.

Tree form is unarmed TWF, even with weapon and shield equipped.

WW gets an additional attack TWF when centered that cannot double strike, but then you lose Supreme Cleave. WW takes two seconds to perform compared to 1 second for other cleaves. Sadly, you have to be monk centered and truly unarmed, not defensively centered from HELF.

I might be slightly wrong on some of the double strike stuff, since shapeshifting is technically two main hand weapon fighting, not TWF, and I didn't test if it was using double strike + doublestrike or double strike + offhand double strike. Some of this is from other people on forums.

What is interesting, is that supreme cleave twf at say 50 melee power with 30% bonus dmg from crits/ED bonus dmg and 20% damage boost is:
2x84d(2d8) x 1.5 x 1.3 x 1.2= 786d8 every 3 seconds (base melee damage converted to 12.2 more damage die).

Fireball SLA from a 28 Sorc at 20d6 and 800 spell power and 30% crit is:

20d6x9x1.3 = 234d6 every 6 seconds.

Which is why I originally named the build Supreme Cleavage on DDO forums before I deleted it there.

Ya that is one of the main problems with the game. Abilities don't have some sort of simple graphical label like crossed swords to show they work for TWF weapons, or crossed fists for TWF unarmed, or a shield icon to show they can shield bash, or a broken icon do not take for the abilities that don't work (looking at you 1/4th of the swashbuckling tree).

I make way more test character iconics for testing mechanics and deleting them then I do real builds just to figure out what things roughly do, but it was a leap of faith for making a build around Avatar of Nature.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:03am:


To some degree this is part of the fun...if you're a nerd and a min maxer who llikes to geek out on the numbers.

For everyone else, I imagine it's terrible.

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thx for explanations.never know dat before..i still dont kind like twinblade..how about use a toee bsword or daxe?20mp seems better than higher supreme cleave damage

If Strength of Spirit ticks 'When you hit with a melee attack, or cast a spell on an ally, or cast an offensive spell on an enemy... Each of these three categories triggers only once every three seconds.' is there any point in taking both Warlock AND Cleric levels to keep Spirit up?

Tilo, I ran a couple of ETR using the 12monk 5 cleric 3 pally unnarmed build and it was fun. This new Warlock build seems more interesting though!

What gear/ epic twists do you recommend?

I am thinking thunderforged heavy armor for 30 DR if that Works on tree form.

Does the shield properties make any difference to tree form? I was thinking the new Epic Shield of Tireless Aid for more temporary HP stack or the Madstone Aegis for the 3x crit multiplier but since tree is twf not sure how that Works.

For twsits: LSM, coccon, consecrate/sacred ground?

What else do you recommend?

You're not going to want to twist rejuv caccoon.