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Reply #325 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 7:19pm
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Re: The Trees Shall Rise Again
Reply #326 - Sep 12th, 2015 at 7:10pm
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Main Hand: Twinblade, TWF Set (Varies by lvl)

Off Hand: Nothing (THF in Heroics), Wall of Wood (Various Lvls) > PDK Shield, TWF Set (Variest by lvl)

What augments do you slot in the slots in Twinblade and also your PDK shield? Assume 28th level.

What other weapon(s) when you're actually TWF?

I assume you use the PDK shield in tree-form?
  

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Reply #327 - Sep 13th, 2015 at 11:02am
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You don't twist cocoon because it is part of PA and you get it for free, although it really isn't needed.

Gear was:

Goggles: Shadowsight Goggles Lvl ML 15-27 Versions

Helm: Sora Kell > PDK > White Dragon > Mythic Seraphim

Necklace: Deadly > Vim and Vigor > Epic Vim and Vigor

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Boots: Madstone > Treads of Falling Shadow > Orc Privateer > Epic Boots of the Innocent

Gloves: Sora Kell > Fabricators > PDK > Iron Mitts

Main Hand: Twinblade, TWF Set (Varies by lvl)

Off Hand: Nothing (THF in Heroics), Wall of Wood (Various Lvls) > PDK Shield, TWF Set (Variest by lvl)

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Really though, the build doesn't need this level of gear. It just makes it ridiculous. And you don't need DR30/60 dragonplate you can block for shield DR and still cleave.

thx for ur nice advice!my tree build is done nao.. Cool
btw..i kinda dont like the idea of heavy armor+tower shield..for me it lost 20-40 healing amp,10+ac,10+dodge for only 15-20 prr..dats only like 1% moar damage reduction..not really worth it.. Cheesy
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Reply #328 - Sep 14th, 2015 at 5:30pm
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Oh wow! That is inspiring! I was thinking LSM instead of ICE, not both!

Oh nice, you are using master's touch for bastard sword proficiency. To fit in completionist?

I like the PDK shield because I can hit block for +8 saves, and because, well, my gear, past lives, consumables, and twists are no where even close to yours!


If I were staying at 28 I would use Fire + Meteoric in Twinblade, and Force in PDK shield. But I ETR/TR so I use double meteoric in Twinblade instead, and devotion in PDK (replaces Wall of Wood at 26).

Just whatever you have for TWF. Oath Blades or First Bloods are great for level 20+, and CITW and all other raid weapons for after. It's not really that important.
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Reply #329 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 2:23am
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silly question, to use stalwart defense... you need to take a toughness feat.... correct?


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Reply #330 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 2:36am
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that_arrow_guy wrote on Sep 17th, 2015 at 2:23am:
silly question, to use stalwart defense... you need to take a toughness feat.... correct?


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Reply #331 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 11:54am
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i need to stop believing what i read on the interwebs then
  

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Reply #332 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 7:04pm
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Has anyone bothered to grind out the details on a tree with Warlock? I'm assuming the optimal is 10 monk/8 Warlock/2 Pally.. but would love to see the bits and pieces worked out. Will probably spend some time on Lam seeing what I can figure out but was wondering if someone already has.
  
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Reply #333 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 9:29pm
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ZooperDooper wrote on Sep 17th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
Has anyone bothered to grind out the details on a tree with Warlock? I'm assuming the optimal is 10 monk/8 Warlock/2 Pally.. but would love to see the bits and pieces worked out. Will probably spend some time on Lam seeing what I can figure out but was wondering if someone already has.

3rd pally gets you stance and 9th warlock offers TS spell. 10th monk gives nothing over 9 aside ac bonus increase.
  

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Reply #334 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:57pm
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9 monk 7 warlock 4 pal?
  
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Reply #335 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:02pm
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DnD wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:57pm:
9 monk 7 warlock 4 pal?


You still don't get as many cleaves as a barb, and you wont get to utilize the sword/board combo with med/hvy armor.

Also if going monk, 12 monk would be best for abundant step zerging and the free tier 3 stance.
  
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Reply #336 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 12:34am
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Think you're missing the point. You need the warlock levels for aura to trigger tree tokens quick

Teth wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:02pm:
You still don't get as many cleaves as a barb, and you wont get to utilize the sword/board combo with med/hvy armor.

Also if going monk, 12 monk would be best for abundant step zerging and the free tier 3 stance.

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Reply #337 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 5:20am
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DnD wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:57pm:
9 monk 7 warlock 4 pal?


I did this split as I needed a monk past life. It was very good but I think 12m/6w/2p is better if you have the divine past lives and gear to max defenses

Off the top of my head I had:
30% Dodge
50% Incorp
50% Conceal
50 MRR with Improved Evasion
140/190 PRR this could be a lot better if twisting ICE and with more past lives
dont remember hps but with shining through never really felt I was low on hps.
saves were pretty much fail on 1

I went char based to boost divine might and saves but could easily go con based to boost temporary hps.

Next time I need a monk past life Im thinking of going 12m/5w/3p - I know my aura looses a second but I want to see if its an issue (dont think it will be as it looks like Ihrlie has dropped 6w from their split (12m/5p/3w) but I like shining through too much

ZooperDooper wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 12:34am:
Think you're missing the point. You need the warlock levels for aura to trigger tree tokens quick


Nope you missed the fighter/warlock/barb builds earlier on in the discussion
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Reply #338 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:33am
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ZooperDooper wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 12:34am:
Think you're missing the point. You need the warlock levels for aura to trigger tree tokens quick



You realize you can do warlock with barb right?  Just look at the cycle of cleaves a barb versus a monk can get.

-Whirlwind can proc main hand, off-hand, doublestrike, off-hand doublestrike, and an extra hit for centered (monk only)
-Great cleave same as whirlwind except minus the extra hit for centered.
-Cleave no extra procs (that im aware of)

Now barb can achieve all those sans the extra centered proc on whirlwind. However now we throw in supreme cleave.  Not even counting the fact you can split the tiers on supreme cleave and have multiples of them on your hotbar with separate timers, it can proc the same as great cleave (minus the extra +w dmg).  All of that on a 3 second cd.

So for cleaves in a perfect cycle its looking like a monk has 5+4+1 versus a barb that has 4+3+3+1 (and another 3 if you split supreme cleave). That's just one cycle, the cd on the barb cleaves will come up sooner since supreme cleave is a 3 sec cd, so in the long run the barb split gets more cleaves.

Of course there are pros and cons to both. I was just saying the benefits of a 9/7/4 split aren't as good as a 12/6/2 and in my opinion both are inferior to the barb split.
  
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Reply #339 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 6:46pm
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Teth wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:33am:
You realize you can do warlock with barb right?  Just look at the cycle of cleaves a barb versus a monk can get.

-Whirlwind can proc main hand, off-hand, doublestrike, off-hand doublestrike, and an extra hit for centered (monk only)
-Great cleave same as whirlwind except minus the extra hit for centered.
-Cleave no extra procs (that im aware of)

Now barb can achieve all those sans the extra centered proc on whirlwind. However now we throw in supreme cleave.  Not even counting the fact you can split the tiers on supreme cleave and have multiples of them on your hotbar with separate timers, it can proc the same as great cleave (minus the extra +w dmg).  All of that on a 3 second cd.

So for cleaves in a perfect cycle its looking like a monk has 5+4+1 versus a barb that has 4+3+3+1 (and another 3 if you split supreme cleave). That's just one cycle, the cd on the barb cleaves will come up sooner since supreme cleave is a 3 sec cd, so in the long run the barb split gets more cleaves.

Of course there are pros and cons to both. I was just saying the benefits of a 9/7/4 split aren't as good as a 12/6/2 and in my opinion both are inferior to the barb split.


How do you get 3 supreme cleaves? I can Split the 3 but I get the first one on a 9 sec cooldown and the other 2 it's either 6 or 3 sec depending on which I click they share the same cooldown
  
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Reply #340 - Sep 20th, 2015 at 1:45am
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Teth wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:33am:
You realize you can do warlock with barb right? 


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Reply #341 - Sep 20th, 2015 at 10:35am
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The things you learn, splitting cleaves WTF hax!

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Reply #342 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm
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i went 10 fighter 7 warlock 3 barb..

good stuff... Smiley

3 more etrs and i will have enough fate points to have a  3/2/2/2 split

Prr will be 255 in heavy armor and tower shield and 230 in medium armor with large shield (i am -20 those numbers now since i do not have improved combat expertise twisted)

155 heal amp with heavy/tower...... 175 with medium/large
i am tweaking now for DOJ gear... ugh...


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Reply #343 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 11:38am
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What do you think is better:

- Twinblade
- T3 ThunderForged (1st Degree Burns/Dragon's Edge/Mortal Fear)
- ToEE set for 20 MP
  
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Reply #344 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 3:32pm
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DnD wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 11:38am:
What do you think is better:

- Twinblade
- T3 ThunderForged (1st Degree Burns/Dragon's Edge/Mortal Fear)
- ToEE set for 20 MP


This has been a great build thread.  I've been playing the barb version since I read about it here.  I've tried a lot of things (including your list), and I am getting the best overall results with the T3 TF.  Mainly because you can't always be in tree form, and having mortal fear and armor pen comes in handy.   But you really can't go wrong with any of the items you listed. 
  
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Reply #345 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:06am
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Ahh, I never farmed up a T3 TF. I still have a ton of past lives to go and never saw the need. Now that the cap is going to 30 I'll probably work towards one. Definitely a bastard sword or dwarven axe though, since it works with all fighting styles.
  
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Reply #346 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:43am
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 11:44pm:
Another thing, exploit weakness doesnt work while in druid forms. That isnt feasible.



I was just realizing AoN isn't animal form, it is elemental form. Notice the 100% fort you gain, and stun immunity. Plus you can use metal gear. Exploit weakness should therefore work in AoN form. Anyone able to test this?
  
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Reply #347 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:23am
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I was just realizing AoN isn't animal form, it is elemental form

interesting observation. i assumed it was an animal form because the thrower stacking glitch worked with tree, allowing non-druid monks to stack their wraps.
  

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Reply #348 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 12:48pm
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Another observation on this.  I replaced my [2d8] "Tireless aid" large shield with the new Demonic Slab tower shield - which is [3d10].  It seems like I'm seeing much higher numbers.

I did slot in exploit weakness last night and did a solo EE run in the new u28 stuff, but I saw the higher numbers before that. 

I was hardly ever using concentration anyway, so I just took that out in favor of exploit weakness and +3 action boosts.  I also took out extend since I'm constantly casting displace to keep my stacks up - replaced with competitionist.  This is the 10w/7lock/3zerk build. 

Previously, my AoN monk was always hitting harder, now it seems like the barb build is.
  
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Reply #349 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 12:50pm
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I'll try and test exploit weakness now - I already had it spec'd just hoping it would work.
  
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