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Reply #75 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 5:18pm
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Lelouch wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:55am:
for example zoda zav and cetus clash heads so much


Huh? We're mostly pretty friendly.
  
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Reply #76 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 4:44am
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Huh? We're mostly pretty friendly.


Which barb build did you end up running?
  

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Reply #77 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 7:46am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 2:57am:
THF is strong, but it is not maximum DPS.


I would disagree on that.
Remember that now you DO get glancing blows while moving so twitch fighting benefits fully from glancing blows and glancing blows special effects proc. If you can twitch fight reliably while haste boosted you will beat a twf single target dps.

So the way I see it THF is considerably better than twf in AOE dps and in the hands of a capable twitch fighter better single target dps as well making it an all around better fighting style for barbs IMO.
  
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Reply #78 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 2:13pm
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Too much cheese in the achievements, or more specifically, the speed records.

Any else notice just in regular build threads people will crop their pics so you can't see buffs?  I just assume any pic like that has store pots, cookies, etc. since they clearly want to hide something.  Anything to look better to the lesser people and get more attention.
  
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Reply #79 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 2:58pm
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Trollero wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
Too much cheese in the achievements, or more specifically, the speed records.

Any else notice just in regular build threads people will crop their pics so you can't see buffs?  I just assume any pic like that has store pots, cookies, etc. since they clearly want to hide something.  Anything to look better to the lesser people and get more attention.


Main point of achivment section since i joined ddo around end of 2009 was:
Who will find the ploits fastest and use them the most effective way possible.
  
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Reply #80 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 4:02pm
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Reply #81 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 1:17am
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You can thank zoda.
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Reply #82 - Jan 16th, 2015 at 2:36am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 4:44am:
Which barb build did you end up running?


None yet, still pushing this pally during the hour of playtime I can afford each week.

Still not so sure that it won't be a downgrade, barb seems to clear trash faster, but I think the single target dps is still quite competitive.
  
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Reply #83 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 1:00am
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SayWhatAgain wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 7:46am:
I would disagree on that.
Remember that now you DO get glancing blows while moving so twitch fighting benefits fully from glancing blows and glancing blows special effects proc. If you can twitch fight reliably while haste boosted you will beat a twf single target dps.

So the way I see it THF is considerably better than twf in AOE dps and in the hands of a capable twitch fighter better single target dps as well making it an all around better fighting style for barbs IMO.


No.

If there were a x4 two-hander for Barbarians then you would be correct, but there's not. Picks have the highest base DPS when you expand the crit range that much, add that in with all the effects that double on offhand and THF gets left behind. (Remember I'm only talking about Barbarians in this thread.)
  

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Re: U24 Max DPS Barbarian
Reply #84 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:22am
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Nerf update:

The Storm's Eye nerf is painful, but was much more scalpel than sledge-hammer (significantly less painful than was advertised). The build is still extremely potent, and I don't really see a need to change it since the Ravager capstone is still insultingly shitty.

Barbarian is still fun, but as I hinted elsewhere, I am going to start working on a breaking a different class now.
  

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Reply #85 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 5:40pm
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Reply #86 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 4:53am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 1:00am:
No.

If there were a x4 two-hander for Barbarians then you would be correct, but there's not. Picks have the highest base DPS when you expand the crit range that much, add that in with all the effects that double on offhand and THF gets left behind. (Remember I'm only talking about Barbarians in this thread.)


With rage extended crit and imp crit (as well as devestating crit and oc) a pick gives you 1-16x1,17-18x4, 19-20x7 (total of 38).
Maul (with all of the above and pulverize) is 1-14x1, 15-18x3, 19-20x6 (total 38)
So crit profile equales out however THF uses 1.5 str mod on all attacks while TWF uses x1 str on main hand and x0.5 str on off hand.

Thf can get up to 35% chance to proc special effects on glancing blows and up to 79% damage.
Considering attack speed while twitch fighting thf is real close if not over twf attack per second.

Check out this video's end fight at http://youtu.be/UTwsPPtf2ow
The guy is thf till trash is dead then he twitchs the boss (whom's hp is dropping really fast).
Easy enough to test, you can go in there and compare dps on the boss like you did vs the tree build in vol.
Video seems to be before the nerf though if you activate your eye just for the end fight the difference shouldn't be that great in your favor (because of the +10 melle power).

I'd be interested to see what you come up with.
  
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Reply #87 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 6:13am
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Divine crusader. Celestial champion.

42 iterations of damage. 48 if they ever fix critical rage.
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Re: U24 Max DPS Barbarian
Reply #88 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 6:40am
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SayWhatAgain wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 4:53am:


LOL.

I mean that dude's got some sweet zerging skills, but the DPS is not equal. My base damage is higher on hits and regular crits. 19-20 crits were about the same. He was missing out on a lot of proc damage as well. Dumbass wasted twists on wild/malicious weapons.

Looks like 27 secs on the endboss? I'll see what I get next time I log.
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Reply #89 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 6:58am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 6:13am:
Divine crusader. Celestial champion.

42 iterations of damage. 48 if they ever fix critical rage.


I see, is that what you roll with as your best ed?
It's solid but LD does more dps generally.
  
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Reply #90 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 7:07am
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SayWhatAgain wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 6:58am:
I see, is that what you roll with as your best ed?
It's solid but LD does more dps generally.


For other builds LD is more DPS generally. TWF pick Barbarians should always be in DC.
  

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Reply #91 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 7:30am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 7:07am:
For other builds LD is more DPS generally. TWF pick Barbarians should always be in DC.

Are pure barbs still max dps after the change to storms eye ?
  
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Reply #92 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 11:01am
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They never were max dps in general,this build was max dps compared to the other barb builds THF/SWF.

The difference with the nerf is that you are now saving  Zeal and Storm Eye for when you need it instead having it open all the time.

So basically its a 25 melee power decrease in general and a meh spike when you need it with a long cooldown that transfers through quests.

You can always spam it ofc when its off cooldown but for the most part of the quest you`ll be hitting 4 mobs with 25~20 melee power and at the next group of mobs 10~0 and you wont have it when you actually need it without careful planning.

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Reduced the overall DPS and its now another clicky to add to the ~10 more a barb has to spam
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Reply #93 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 11:59am
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Bacardi wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 11:01am:
They never were max dps in general,this build was max dps compared to the other barb builds THF/SWF.

The difference with the nerf is that you are now saving  Zeal and Storm Eye for when you need it instead having it open all the time.

So basically its a 25 melee power decrease in general and a meh spike when you need it with a long cooldown that transfers through quests.

You can always spam it ofc when its off cooldown but for the most part of the quest you`ll be hitting 4 mobs with 25~20 melee power and at the next group of mobs 10~0 and you wont have it when you actually need it without careful planning.

TL;DR
Reduced the overall DPS and its now another clicky to add to the ~10 more a barb has to spam


Storm's eye adds to your base damage, not mp.
You'd used to have it build up from 1 to 25 reaching it's max after 2:30 minutes. Considering it's "steady state" what was once +25 base damage is now +6.25  average however like you said you can activate it stratigiclly to get more bang for your buck where it matters instead of just hitting it together with your primal scream (both have 3 min cd and primal is easy to notice when it's gone)

Take into consideration the +10 mp buff when raged (all the time) on a base damage of say 120 (your base is your damage dividen by (1+ mp/100)) the +10 mp equates to +12 base damage so together with the eye's average of 6.25 you reach say 18 rounded down for a total average nerf of 7 base damage. Not huge but not small either.
  
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Reply #94 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 12:06pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 7:07am:
For other builds LD is more DPS generally. TWF pick Barbarians should always be in DC.


That's arguable.
+1 crit on 19-20, action hero, 68 mp outweighs +1 crit range, +4 base damage and zeal IMO in most cases but I"ll give you credit for planning and running a build which I haven't.

I'd be very interested to find out how long it will take you to clear the end boss + his trash or his hp from the point the thf barb starts twitching down.
  
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Reply #95 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 1:07pm
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Rounded it up with Zeal`s 50MWP activation since i activate them together,my bad.

Melee Weapon Power and Melee Damage flat are easily confused when i run the formula.

But the curve on overall damage is noticable,one button 0 to 25 MD that you could keep the whole quest if the Health condition could be met vs 25 to 0 "spammable" Action Boost like ability.

Since you are into the numbers can you figure the DPS loss between active damage boost/skills to dish out your max DPS?

Zeal of the Righteous,Storms Eye,Consecration,Rage,Frenzy,Death Frenzy,+20% Action boost,Cleave,Supreme Cleave,Strike Down,Stunning Blow,Slaughter,Exhausting Blow

I am not throwing clickies or SF pots in there cuz it would be overkill
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Reply #96 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 1:26pm
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Well you don't get double strike on Cleaves so Cleaving for ze max deeps on single target would be pretty stupid no ?
Or +W increases and Momentum in rotation makes up for that ?
  
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Reply #97 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 1:29pm
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Wipe wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Well you don't get double strike on Cleaves so Cleaving for ze max deeps on single target would be pretty stupid no ?
Or +W increases and Momentum in rotation makes up for that ?


You do get double strike on cleaves.
  
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Reply #98 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 2:53pm
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Oh.
Are you sure ?
  
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Reply #99 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 4:01pm
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You do not get double strikes on cleaves. I already knew this but tested it just now to see if anything had changed.
  
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