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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #25 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 11:08am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 11:04am: Uggh I dont know if I would play that over a Swashbuckler rogue. Something like 12 rogue 5 barb 3 bard using light pick in DC. Should be a +4 threat range increase on light pick. I wouldnt, but the op for some reason wants an unarmed rogue. Thinking about how weak the build actually is now makes me sad, 19rogue/1monk was a decent build once

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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #26 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 11:54am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:22am: Think I like 11 rge 6 rng 3 drd. Loss of two rogue feats and improved sneak attack. Gains Imp 2wf feat should also be able to replace Imp sneak and the free feat from ranger 6 with Natural Fighting x2. Dance of Death and Thousand Cuts for 35 AP in Tempest. Killer, 4d6 sneak attack from Assassin 25 AP. 4 base damage, 1d6 sneak attack, positive power, and Fatal Harrier in Nature's Warrior for 13 AP. 7 AP in Harper for KTA. Kta doesnt work for wolf form sadly, it worked for couple days when they released harper but after first patch it didnt any longer. I didnt play a wolf since the latest patch so i am not sure if it was fixed. My bet is no, still doesnt give damage to wolf attacks


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #27 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 8:56pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:39am: Natural fighting pre-req is 9 druid. Id start from a base of 9druid, 6ranger 5rogue and work from there to find optimal unarmed dps. Wolf is unarmed? Munkenmo wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 11:08am: I wouldnt, but the op for some reason wants an unarmed rogue. Thinking about how weak the build actually is now makes me sad, 19rogue/1monk was a decent build once 19/1 was where I started from. It's better now with melee power than it used to be.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #28 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 11:06am: But what would be highest rogue icon dps? Probably 9 druid/9 rogue/2 ranger. At least for red/purple name anyway... Stacking crit rage with swashbuckling looks interesting though.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #29 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 8:56pm: Wolf is unarmed? Yes, it's why you can use stunning fist in wolf form even with short swords equipped.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #30 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:25pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:39pm: Yes, it's why you can use stunning fist in wolf form even with short swords equipped. You can get glancing blows on a sword and board build. You can even enhance them with THF feats. That doesn't make it a THF build.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #31 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:53pm	Print Post
	You guys have made a valid point about the fighter levels. I knew that was the weak link, but now that I've done the math, and I should have at least 30 stable ki with the penalty from the quiver...so I'm looking at going 16 rogue/4 monk and picking up the extra 30% from no mercy and bumping sneak attack dice up to 20 in ninja spy. I'll just have to take points out of harper and drop past life monk and watchful eye (stunning blow will be dropped eventually though when they fix tactics.)
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #32 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 3:19am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:25pm: You can get glancing blows on a sword and board build. You can even enhance them with THF feats. That doesn't make it a THF build. Wolf form benefits from every unarmed mechanic, sword & board benefits from one 2hf mechanic, with only 2 weapon subsets that were specifically changed to allow it. You can argue the differences all you want, I'm sympathetic to the argument btw. I dont think animal forms should have been lumped in with unarmed combat, but they were. Mechanically animal forms are unarmed, like it or not.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #33 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:56am	Print Post
	5FS's Sneaky Fist v2.0 Race: Human/PDK Alignment: Lawful Neutral Class: 16 Rogue/4 Monk Stats: (36 pt build, +5 supreme tome recommended) Strength............15 (+ level ups) Dexterity...........16 (+5 tome or better required) Constitution.......14 Intelligence.........14 Wisdom..............14 Charisma............8 Feat Progression Level 1� �� : Two Weapon Fighting, Stunning Blow Level 2(M): Stunning Fist� Level 3� �� : Completionist Level 5(M): Precision Level 6� �� : Adept of Forms Level 9� �� : Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 11(M):Fists of Light Level 12� �: Master of Forms Level 13� �: Opportunist Level 15(M):Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 17� �: Improved Evasion Level 18� �: Improved Critical Blunt Level 20� �: Slippery Mind Level 21� �: Improved Sneak Attack Level 24� �: Overwhelming Critical Level 26� �: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting Level 27� �: Grand Master of Forms Level 28� �: First Blood Enhancements Harper: 18 AP Cores: 2/6 (Int) Harper Enchantment (2 pts) Traveler's Toughness 2/3 Versatile Adept I 3/3 Know The Angles 3/3 Versatile Adept II 3/3 Highly Skilled 2/3 Assassin: 26 AP Cores 1/6 Sneak Attack Training I (2 pts) Shiv (2/3) Sneak Attack Training II (2pts) Damage Boost 3/3 (2 pts) Sneak Attack Training III (2 pts) Critical Accuracy 3/3 Int+1 Critical damage 3/3 Killer 3/3 Ninja Spy: 28 AP Cores 1/6 Sneak Attack Training 1-4 (2 pts) Acrobatic 1/3 Stealthy 3/3 Faster Sneaking 1/3 Subtlety 3/3 Unbalancing Strike (2 pts) Int+1 No Mercy 3/3 Shintao: 7 AP Cores 1/6 Deft Strikes 3/3 (2 pts) Human: 1 AP Damage Boost Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought AB: Attack 1/3 Extra AB 3/3 Legendary Tactics 3/3 Str+1 Str+1 AB: Haste 3/3 Critical Damage 2/3 Str+1 (No tier 4 Devastating Critical Advancing Blows Master's Blitz (PRR) Twists: 4/3/1/1 Sense Weakness Balanced Attacks Rejuvenation Cocoon Brace for Impact Skills: Max ranks in Bluff Concentration Diplomacy Disable Device Move Silently Open Lock Search Spot UMD Half ranks- Heal
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #34 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:01am	Print Post
	*Gear:* Head: Mythic Emerald Gaze Neck: Shroud of Ardent Trinket: Epic Litany/Manual of Stealthy Pilfering Back: Adamantine Wolf Waist: E. Thoughtful Remembrance Ring1: EE Ring of Shadows Hands: HE Backstabber Feet: E. Innocent Ring2: Ring of Deceit Wrists: E. Ethereal Torso: Spiderspun Caparison (+3 dex) Goggles: E. Mentau Quiver: E. Alacrity Wraps: TF Dragon's Edge/Mortal Fear (Deconstructor/Devotion) 18 augment slots: Globe Soul Gem Power 250 +40 HP Heavy Fort Blindness +8 Int +8 Wis Insightful +2 (Int, Wis, Con, Cha) +15 Heal Protection +8 Natural +8 Poison +10 Disease +10 1 open
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #35 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 7:25am	Print Post
	Finally getting back to this. Now that tactics are fixed I am thinking to drop stunning blow for deflect arrows. That means I have to take level 1 in monk and miss out on some skill points though.

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #36 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 2:56pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:56am: 5FS's Sneaky Fist Still, ew.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #37 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 2:56pm: Still, ew. It seems fitting.

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #38 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:41pm	Print Post
	Don't know if you ever tried melee without aoe, but it just sucks. Especially twf.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #39 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:14pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:41pm: Don't know if you ever tried melee without aoe, but it just sucks. Especially twf. Is that why everyone thinks swashbucklers are awesome?

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #40 - Feb 4^th, 2015 at 2:38am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:31pm: It seems fitting. Extra ew.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #41 - Feb 4^th, 2015 at 9:52am	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Feb 4^th, 2015 at 2:38am: Extra ew. Well "Sneaky Fist" was more succinct than "The fist that comes upon you stealthily and sneak attacks you to death in the rear before you even get a chance to cry out."
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nicetrybutimjesus Korthos Resident Offline drama? Posts: 77 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2014	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #42 - Feb 4^th, 2015 at 11:05am	Print Post
	Packfan wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:57pm: The problem I have with pj melees in EE is keeping them alive though. I'm either not good enough at building them or just don't have the right gear/past lives to survive long enough. Some sort of heal over time would help I suppose, your not doin pj melee's right if you cant recall in the middle of a red alert monk split -50 percent displace(clickies) 25 percent incorp(shadow fade) 35 percent dodge ranger split- 50 percent displace 55 percent sustained dodge (elaborate parry stacks with your dodge 35+20) 10 percent incorp (item) and then another 50 percent dodge on top of those if you use uncanny dodge
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #43 - Feb 4^th, 2015 at 1:30pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 4^th, 2015 at 9:52am: comes upon you stealthily and sneak attacks you to death in the rear before you even get a chance to cry out." some of my best nights started like that

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ElGuapo Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 215 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2014	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #44 - Feb 4^th, 2015 at 7:24pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Feb 4^th, 2015 at 1:30pm: some of my best nights started like that rofl


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #45 - Feb 5^th, 2015 at 2:44am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 4^th, 2015 at 9:52am: Well "Sneaky Fist" was more succinct than "The fist that comes upon you stealthily and sneak attacks you to death in the rear before you even get a chance to cry out." Well yeah. As Rubbins pointed out, the longer description is less ew and more foreplay.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #46 - Feb 5^th, 2015 at 4:22am	Print Post


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #47 - Feb 5^th, 2015 at 5:06am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 11:06am: But what would be highest rogue icon dps? I not sure if it is highest but i really like 13/6/1 split from friend. Rogue ranger fighter. Once they add ranged power it will become potent and strong again


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #48 - Feb 5^th, 2015 at 6:37am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 5^th, 2015 at 4:22am: Tool Vid Well that makes sense. Things not to do 1: Get stoned while shrooming.

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nicetrybutimjesus Korthos Resident Offline drama? Posts: 77 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2014	Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build Reply #49 - Feb 12^th, 2015 at 5:28am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:50am: It isnt max dps unless it's a wolf.� 18 barb 1 fvs 1 fighter and tree have more dps than wolf


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