So the rogue pass looks pretty worthless. I'll probably pick up Assassin's Trick, when I rework the AP, but I don't see any other changes happening with this build.

I guess I might test out the new Measure the Foe.

I mean the chances are slimmer than turbines QA budget, but if the new Lethality works unarmed it might be an avenue.

Tincan wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 8:12am:


Wishful thinking.

I took another look at this build to reinvestigate the issue. After a fresh ER, I went out and punched some stuff for ~50 base damage and ~100 SA damage. After stunning this went to ~200 base and ~100 SA (Non-crit. Stunned crit was 5-600). I had No Mercy and Sense Weakness on for +110% helpless damage, but theres no way that quadruples the base damage. I suspect that the nerf didn't happen, the game just started graphically adding the extra SA damage to the base number for some reason. (The combat log does not distinguish, it reports the sum of base +SA as one line.)

With this in mind I'm inclined to remake the build (probably needs fighter levels now) but based on prior performance I expect it to be too squishy for endgame EE's without heavy past life investment in PRR and HP.

Yeah. My final remaining (melee) monk agrees and has picked up shortswords. It's almost like someone tried to warn Egodrin during the enhancement p-arse that he was fucking up Monks and he wouldn't listen.

Even spamming DoD and SF/others makes it, well, not as good as most other melee. The big question for me is will they balance it back to reasonably ok before they shut the doors...?

I'm probably going to TR this character into this build when I get back around to him:

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1443260776/0#0

It's pretty much doing the same thing, but with a bow option. I will miss the bazillion sneak attack damage though.

5FS's Sneaky Fist Gninja v3.1


Race: Gnome/LR+1'd Deep Gnome
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Class: 13 Rogue/4 Monk/3 Ranger


Stats: (36 pt build, +5 supreme tome or better recommended)

Strength............6
Dexterity...........18 (+ level ups)
Constitution.......16
Intelligence........10
Wisdom.............16 (18 iconic)
Charisma............8 (6 iconic)

RaRM RaMR RRRR MRRR MRR RaRR

Feat Progression

Level 1     : Quick Draw
Level 3(M): Precision
Level 3     : Completionist
Level 4(Ra): Rapid Shot, TWF
Level 5(M): Deflect Arrows
Level 6     : Adept of Forms
Level 9     : Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 11(M):Fists of Darkness
Level 12   : Master of Forms
Level 15   : Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 16   : Opportunist
Level 18   : Improved Critical Pierce
Level 20   : Improved Evasion
Level 21   : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24   : Improved Sneak Attack
Level 26   : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27   : Weapon Focus Pierce
Level 28   : Elusive Target
Level 29   : Dire Charge
Level 30   : Sneak of Shadows
Level 30   : Scion of Ethereal Plane


Enhancements

Gnome: 17 AP

Cores 5/5 (7 pts)
Stealth 2/3 (2 pts) (iconic take Underdark XP instead)
Weapon Training 4/4 (8 pts)


Assassin: 23 AP
Cores 3/6
Sneak Attack Training 1-3 (6 pts)
Stealthy 3/3
Venomed Blades 3/3
Dex+1
Critical Mastery 3/3
Killer 3/3


Ninja Spy: 26 AP
Cores 2/6
Sneak Attack Training 1-3 (6 pts)
Acrobatic 3/3
Subtlety 3/3
Unbalancing Strike (2 pts)
Sting of the Ninja (2 pts)
Dex +1
No Mercy 3/3


Shintao: 7 AP
Cores 1/6
Deft Strikes 3/3 (2 pts)

Tempest: 6 AP

Cores 2/6
Improved Defense 3/3
Improved Reaction 1/3

Deepwood: 1 AP

Cores 1/6


Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought

AB: Attack 1/3
Extra AB 3/3
Legendary Tactics 3/3

AB Damage 3/3

AB: Haste 3/3
Critical Damage 3/3

Volcano's Edge

Devastating Critical
Advancing Blows

Master's Blitz (PRR)


Twists: 4/3/3/1

Sense Weakness
Balanced Attacks
Grim Precision
Rejuvenation Cocoon

Gear: In progress. MF Shortswords where they work. Shuriken for ranged option.

Ballpark 100 average base sneak attack * (1.5*130 MP)= 295 * 260% helpless = 767 * 100% offhand = 1534 + 65% DS = ~2032.55 of just sneak attack damage per animation.

Rabbit wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Rogue past life

You recall more about your past life as a rogue. You have +1 to all skills and three times per rest you can skulk with the skill of your past life, gaining bonuses equal to your level to your hide and move silently skills, a +1 bonus to sneak attack damage for every two character levels, and a +1 bonus to hit with sneak attacks for every four levels. Note: 1 Minute per use.

That's an elegant pairing with Scion of the Ethereal Plane.

More precise sneak attack numbers:

133.5 average base sneak attack (17d6+33 standing hide mod+25 SoS boost+16 from Strange Tidings)* (1.5*146 MP=219 effective MP)(30 epic levels+70 blitz+20 ToEE+18 LD levels+6 Sightless+2 WF)= 425.865 * 260% helpless = 1107.249 * 100% offhand = 2214.498 + 65% DS = 2934.20985 of just sneak attack damage per animation.


Some ballpark more precise weapon damage numbers:

5.75d6+15 enhancement+25 avg dex (.5 modifier on ~37% of attacks)+12 deadly + 5 AB = 77.125x1.4 (crit profile) = 107.975+16.1 (23 seeker) x 2.46 (MP) = 305.2245 x 2 (100% offhand) = 610.449 + .65 (DS) = 808.844925

plus

Mainhand 17.64 (4.5 x 3.92) poison + 25 (100 x 25%) sting + 27 ToS + 17.25 DE + 36 MF + 10.5 CW Ruby = 133.39 x 1.65 (DS) = 220.0935

Offhand 17.64 (4.5 x 3.92) poison + 25 (100 x 25%) sting + 6.75 GM + 7.5 GES + 6.55 GSB + 10.5 CW Ruby = 73.94



= 4037.088275 damage per animation w/ t3 tf/ToEE SS combo

Edited:

Brodhi wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:


That's fair, the damage is probably more. Pure assassin has a lot going for it in the 18 and 20 cores.

It's mainly about defenses. Probably the biggest thing is saves. Pure is 6/12/6 base. This build is 15/19/13 in water stance. and nets 7 more dodge. Throw in a few more HP, and 2 second cooldown Deflect Arrows, extra feats, concentration and heal as full rank skills, and a little bit of heal amp and positive spell power.