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Vindicator Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 109 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Orien is Lagtastic! Apr 19^th, 2015 at 5:28pm	Print Post
	It seems to have been since last patch. Any other servers experiencing this (other than Gland obviously)?


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yabber Ex Member	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #1 - Apr 19^th, 2015 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	Yes. have observed increased lag on several servers. The more crap code they throw on the heap the more it bogs the whole system down. I'm putting my bets on .NET.
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Sim-Sala-Bim Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Wha...? Posts: 5356 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #2 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 2:09am	Print Post
	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fNp37zFn9Q


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Angry Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1699 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2014	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #3 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 4:06am	Print Post
	Vindicator wrote on Apr 19^th, 2015 at 5:28pm: It seems to have been since last patch. Any other servers experiencing this (other than Gland obviously)? I can't claim to have noticed any more lag than normally. Of course, ToEE is apparently still laggy after the patch, but as I've yet to run it, I can't say concerning that one. Last two weeks we didn't lag wipe in the raids, and on Sunday we did lag in A Stay at the Inn, so I told the group to restart. I did learn that the High Road also uses 2049, 2050 etc instances. Commonly, as soon as you notice lag, by recalling, restarting and getting a different instance, you can avoid the lag (not always, but very often). Lag isn't an abnormally in ddo.. it's pretty much all about how to deal with it.


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #4 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 4:45am	Print Post
	It's the influx of thousands of new players to your server.......

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10012 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #5 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 6:39am	Print Post
	Quote: I'm putting my bets on .NET. well, you'll loose then... .NET ( 1.1 ) is only used by The Official Launcher. All the rest is done through the TCP/IP and the UDP stacks, Direct X or kernel calls ( for IOs that are not in DX : HDD/SSD, Keyboard and Mouse ) That's why the alternate launchers works fine when .NET is broken on a system.
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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #6 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 6:55am	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 4:45am: It's the influx of thousands of new players to your server....... There were TWO!! Harbor and Market instances last night. The server was probably busy calculating dps in the Lobster.

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #7 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 7:02am	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 6:55am: There were TWO!! Harbor and Market instances last night. No way!


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yabber Ex Member	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #8 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 7:42am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 6:39am: well, you'll loose then... .NET ( 1.1 ) is only used by The Official Launcher. All the rest is done through the TCP/IP and the UDP stacks, Direct X or kernel calls ( for IOs that are not in DX : HDD/SSD, Keyboard and Mouse ) That's why the alternate launchers works fine when .NET is broken on a system. Server side. Where the lag is.


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #9 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 9:28am	Print Post
	Thelanis has been shitty last couple of days.


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #10 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 9:36am	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 6:55am: There were TWO!! Harbor and Market instances last night.� The server was probably busy calculating dps in the Lobster. Wut? There were two new players? And they went to different instances? Holy shit - no wonder the server is lagging! Tell everyone to stay in the same place for goodness sake!

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Crotch Goblins Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 98 Location: In Pants everywhere Joined: Jan 14^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #11 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 12:01pm	Print Post
	Sarlona's been a laggy shithole lately... as apposed to just being a shithole..


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10012 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #12 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 1:42pm	Print Post
	Quote: Server side. Where the lag is. Well there's still some lag that comes from PNAP notwork... but otherwise I'm going to agree that most of the lag we see nowadays is Server Induced. It seems that some latency generated in the backend network appears on the frontr end network... While nowadays It would be considered bad coding ( single thread, single process stuff, nothing in parallel ), at the time DDO was released it wasn't completely weird... even on a server software. But that doesn't means that they are Windows Servers and especially that doesn't means that the servers uses .NET... As I said, only the launcher uses it client side, mainly to talk to the AAA server ( the GLS server ) and also to get the command line organized to launch the client. The rest of the game is .NET free.

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pnellesen Titan Demolisher Offline We can't all just get along. Posts: 311 Joined: Dec 6^th, 2011	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #13 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 7:02am: No way!� True story! I saw them too while I was on.


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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #14 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 3:18pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 1:42pm: Well there's still some lag that comes from PNAP notwork... but otherwise I'm going to agree that most of the lag we see nowadays is Server Induced. I'm still doing TRACERTs. Until I do more, I'm not ready to rule out that lag that exists only on Orien and not on Sarlona, Argo, and the other servers isn't attributable to ISP, sound card driver, and fragmented SSD.

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #15 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 8:09pm	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 3:18pm: I'm still doing TRACERTs. Until I do more, I'm not ready to rule out that lag that exists only on Orien and not on Sarlona, Argo, and the other servers isn't attributable to ISP, sound card driver, and fragmented SSD. Zing!

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #16 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 5:19am	Print Post
	It's probably trees in MoD.

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #17 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:53am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 1:42pm: But that doesn't means that they are Windows Servers and especially that doesn't means that the servers uses .NET... As I said, only the launcher uses it client side, mainly to talk to the AAA server ( the GLS server ) and also to get the command line organized to launch the client. The rest of the game is .NET free. The DDO game servers are DEFINITELY Windows servers. Most are probably virtualized too. Except for what you said about the Launcher, I do not believe the game, either on the server end or client end, uses .NET though.

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #18 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 3:18pm: ...fragmented SSD. Nice.

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yabber Ex Member	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #19 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 9:19pm	Print Post
	It would explain everything. .NET: the insta-just-add-water, poof! you're now a programmer! kit for generation "we ran out of letters for you lazy entitled fucks". Note I expect the server was probably straight c/c++ circa 2009 when the servers performed admirably, and this crap has been introduced in the Hipster Doofus era. I have yet to meet a new graduate who does not want to use a big red easy button library like .NET. "Agile" PHBs love it (almost as much as virtualisation). Both result in shit performance.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #20 - Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 9:18am	Print Post
	Add Argo to the list, I ran a quick Tor last night and was rubberbanding so bad that at one point when I was falling it kept snapping me back up, I looked like the archer elf out of that 80s movie (Hawk the Slayer?) where they replayed the film repeatedly to make it look like he fired a dozen arrows between jumping and hitting the ground. Just when I thought they were getting a handle on lag, we get this crap again

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Durk The Deranged Offline I've got a secret! Posts: 705 Location: The Harbor Joined: May 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #21 - Apr 24^th, 2015 at 10:09am	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 3:18pm: ... and fragmented SSD. But I defrag weekly!!


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10012 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #22 - Apr 24^th, 2015 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	well you fail at doing things right.... See we Ghallandians we crash our server just before the week end... that way we have no lag for the week end raids.

	Yes my avatar is an Hermine eating a Greenland Lemming for brunch.
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CanadianCurseword Korthos Resident Offline Vut der ferk? Posts: 95 Joined: Jan 22^nd, 2015	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #23 - Apr 24^th, 2015 at 1:20pm	Print Post
	Vindicator wrote on Apr 19^th, 2015 at 5:28pm: It seems to have been since last patch. Any other servers experiencing this (other than Gland obviously)? Have you ever been to the spectacular server known as Ghallanda? Where both the server connections and populace are as warm as my ex wife's frigid heart.


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HiWelcome Titan Demolisher Offline Hi Welcome Posts: 357 Joined: Sep 3^rd, 2013	Re: Orien is Lagtastic! Reply #24 - Apr 24^th, 2015 at 6:31pm	Print Post
	[Turbine] Orien is the new default server.� We wouldn't want to have a bug-free Grotto quest and lag-free Harbor quests for those brand new players, they might expect continued excellence or something.� [/Turbine]


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