5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 9:28pm:

that's the thing. There are so many bugs that we dont even know. Like gxbow and 20 sneak die. Archmage double critical bonus. etc. I wouldnt just discount an entire crew of highly capable players over something like not testing when it is easily accessible on lama or live to do so. Notice I never called your math wrong.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

I dont know anything about an exploit there, but did notice he never took off the bow. You would have to try both heavy and light repeaters to see.

I initially thought it was light due to thinking hvy prof wasnt granted by mech cores and reading something on forums from 2012 about rapid reload only applying to light, but that could be wrong.

Tenser isnt even on his hotbar o0.

his weapon is glamoured, might be a gxbow glamour granting the sneak dice to repeaters? Might be game is counting heavy repeaters as gxbows for sneak dice? idk, but his damage is way higher than what I am getting on my pally with a light repeater. Not even in same ballpark.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 12:40am:

wait, I noticed the scroll hotbar. it's top right corner and has tensers and TS. I only noticed when looking at the tor run to try and compare if he was not swapping in that run either. He scrolled TS and blur, so I dont think swapping stops it.

Edit: he also used displace shuri

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 12:40am:



Rubbinns wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 12:50am:


Guys you both have some great build advice and know your stuff but honestly you're missing out on a lot here.

Talking FoT video here:
1) 2:50 into video, he swaps to a displace shuri - Rubbins caught this.

2) Plenty of scrolls and obvious use of UMD (tenser, TS, heal scrolls - probably for regular play since time consuming for speed runs). - Rubbnis caught this as well.

3) He's using a heavy repeater. Look carefully at the weapon bar (which also has the heal scroll linked to C key for easy use), it is a picture of Heavy repeater TF xbow, the light version looks different.

4) From pre entrance examination you can see he has the claw set equipped.

5) From 3 and 4 you can gather that with action boost always active (extra weapon die in LD) he has ~9.5 higher base damage than a pali using light crossbow counterpart.

6) Testing tenser scroll and light vs heavy repeater RoF I saw that the scrolling downtime and the miniscule addition to RoF from tenser isn't worth the constant 5.5-6.5 base weapon damage.

7) Check out how he enters the fight, fully stacked blitz, fully stacked archers focus, double boost (human and assassin damage) and the above mentioned ~9.5 higher base damage (not sure about ranger/monk PL's, I assume he has them). Of course the numbers you'll see will be higher then normal play, the 20% vulnerability he gets from shooting the dragons/giants for more then the usual 2-4 seconds a mob gets in a typical quest b4 he dies is huge.

8) No blur scroll, that 's an Abishai cookie in ToR.

9) I'm sorry but the math 5 foot used for comparing repeating and great crossbows is severely flawed and inaccurate in more then one way. You ignored the "base" damage of the weapons (xdy +~120) which is okay if you are comparing 1 bolt for 1 bolt but certainly not if you are comparing 2 bolts to 1 bolt. You also missed out on other stuff. From a quick calculation I did repeaters put out about 30-40% more dps than a Gxbow (the difference becomes lower with the Gxbow bug but still repeaters remain better. I'll post my math later.

11) Only the undead adds and the crystal in FoT have 100% fort. The TF either has low or no fort and in any case with mechanic wrecking shot (vs constructs - crystal) and assassin's trick what fort the red and purple names have in there is completely negated.

12) Exploit? I highly doubt it, full examination before entrance, complete video of all runs, combat log visible, dice roll visible, opens char sheet, goes over ranged power and gives a breakdown of it, rep. He's just that good at making the most of his tools.

I'm working full time on my rogue and waiting for his build post though I pretty much got a good idea of how I want to build it. From my play at 25-28 I can definitely say that my math supports reality testing, repeaters are ahead by a lot. Sure I made a Gxbow for primal EPL's since it's pretty sick in FoTW (or was be adrenaline got broken) but for LD, repeaters are the obvious choice.

Somebody else is going to have to bruntsmash it. Turns out the mech is the one character that doesn't have a stack of phlogs.

It's "extremely high dps archer". Cracked me up.