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edgarallanpoe Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 11 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2016	Re: The Great Terror Reply #225 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 9:40am	Print Post
	Quote: Would it be possible to make the build work on a bladeforged paladin? Using hearts of wood of course. I personally can't seem to play any build without self-healing, and I don't see any of that on the build(unless you're scroll-healing, in which case... eww). Yes, but you lose out on human boost to Wis. Getting to 70 wis is not difficult but requires some nice gear if you aren't a completionist as the build suggests. Quote: It's hard to run an elf-AA as a bf... He's probably talking about the original build and not yours. No offense but as Forest pointed out, your build makes no sense. You are essentially giving up EF for 28% movement rate? lol


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: The Great Terror Reply #226 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 10:32am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2016 at 9:58pm: Would it be possible to make the build work on a bladeforged paladin? Using hearts of wood of course. I personally can't seem to play any build without self-healing, and I don't see any of that on the build(unless you're scroll-healing, in which case... eww). Cocoon is all you need for ranged.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #227 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 1:46pm	Print Post
	So here's my main problem: I don't play at cap, and this build looks like its centered around only being viable at lvl 30. What are you doing for lvl 1-29?

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: The Great Terror Reply #228 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 2:20pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 11^th, 2016 at 1:46pm: So here's my main problem: I don't play at cap, and this build looks like its centered around only being viable at lvl 30. What are you doing for lvl 1-29? Mech is really good by itself.
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #229 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 4:09pm	Print Post
	This is true. I'm still trying to distill the build down into something less end-game focused. I LOVE the idea of phantasmal-killing shit constantly. It'd be fine if the rate were a bit lower, the damage from GxBs is so amazing that you aren't missing much. But can you get the DC of Phantasmal Killer high enough to knock out most mobs at, say, lvl 21? Assuming you're doing epic elite at level content. Eng-game-only builds just aren't relevent in DDO

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ZooperDooper Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1200 Joined: Oct 27^th, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #230 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	PK is fairly reliable as an effect following the build, but it can be annoying as 1 out of 3 runs off and you have to chase it down or it comes back to bite you in the ass 3 minutes later... Seriously, I hate chasing something that thinks it's Jesse Owens and a door wont open till it's dead.


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Tilo Ex Member	Re: The Great Terror Reply #231 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm	Print Post
	If� you are going for etrs, go for the 28% run speed for EN dailies. It will allow you to kill mobs on x4 crit as well.
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #232 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	Quote: If� you are going for etrs, go for the 28% run speed for EN dailies. It will allow you to kill mobs on x4 crit as well. You're really in to that 28% run speed, aren't you?

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Tilo Ex Member	Re: The Great Terror Reply #233 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	After a certain point in PL and Gear, mobs melt with any reasonable build. Then it is just a matter of how fast you can move...
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #234 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	Quote: After a certain point in PL and Gear, mobs melt with any reasonable build. Then it is just a matter of how fast you can move... Yeah I'm not disagreeing. After playing a monk for a while I always feel like I'm running through marmalade. I guess I just kinda feel like you're build deserves its own thread, rather than tacked on at the end of 10 pages of someone elses

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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: The Great Terror Reply #235 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 12:23am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 11^th, 2016 at 1:46pm: So here's my main problem: I don't play at cap, and this build looks like its centered around only being viable at lvl 30. What are you doing for lvl 1-29? I made one when Steel first posted it and the Primal terror, 3 lives later I have yet to change it over to anything new. At end-game it's definitely a monster, bur I think its even better from lvs 11-22 just melts everything. Excellent leveler for me, and the end game is of course crazy good.
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edgarallanpoe Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 11 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2016	Re: The Great Terror Reply #236 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 9:33am	Print Post
	Quote: I made one when Steel first posted it and the Primal terror, 3 lives later I have yet to change it over to anything new. At end-game it's definitely a monster, bur I think its even better from lvs 11-22 just melts everything. Excellent leveler for me, and the end game is of course crazy good. Agreed.� If you follow the build then at level EE is still very doable.� It's when you try to go into a LE below level that it lags behind because you don't have the DC's for the instakills yet.� But running at level EE is no problem.� If you are well geared and have your DCs at max for that level then you'll be fine.
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #237 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Grand wrote on Oct 12^th, 2016 at 12:23am: I made one when Steel first posted it and the Primal terror, 3 lives later I have yet to change it over to anything new. At end-game it's definitely a monster, bur I think its even better from lvs 11-22 just melts everything. Excellent leveler for me, and the end game is of course crazy good. Sweet, totally gonna have to try it! I do still think I'm going to need to tweak it, though, as I just can't find the self-heals in there, and for me, self-sufficiency is worth giving up a few kills.

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Tilo Ex Member	Re: The Great Terror Reply #238 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	Mmm fotw is 2x as good as shiradi... Wisdom to damage is coming in a future harper like tree!
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #239 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 12:25pm	Print Post
	Dumb question: The build says to take Enchant focus, but Phantasmal Killer is an Illusion-based spell. Is there something I'm missing?

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RemRemi Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: The Great Terror Reply #240 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 12^th, 2016 at 12:25pm: Dumb question: The build says to take Enchant focus, but Phantasmal Killer is an Illusion-based spell. Is there something I'm missing? All the ranger imbues are enchant based, including PK because.... Turbine!
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #241 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	RemRemi wrote on Oct 12^th, 2016 at 1:44pm: All the ranger imbues are enchant based, including PK because.... Turbine!� Of course! That's so obvious, and also well-ducmented :roll:

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #242 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 5:10pm	Print Post
	Ruminating on this for a bit... You wouldn't loose too terribly much converting over to PF. The leveling order even means you only need a +1 heart/ The obvious feat-drop is Enchantment Focus. Take it at lvl 12, then get Greater sometime in epics. Or find a way to live without it. You're only loosing 1 to the DV. Finding the APs for Communion of Scribbing will be tough. Dropping a few of the wisdom Wisdom takes a major hit, but that, too, can be made up. The build calls for +5 tomes, I've got +7s. You can also sneak more wisdom into the build. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the DC going to benifit from a "Wisdom Skills" item? Over all, the conversion would only hurt you for 1-2 DC. Not a bad trade-off to get all the benefits of Bladeforged.

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edgarallanpoe Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 11 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2016	Re: The Great Terror Reply #243 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 10:00pm	Print Post
	Quote: Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the DC going to benifit from a "Wisdom Skills" item? No, skills are things like spot, etc...not Wis DCs. You would be surprised at how much a point or two of DCs will impact this build. You really need to keep the DCs above 80. Losing the Wis enhancements and the wis boost from human to get the BF self healing would work if you only do hard and not elite...on elite you will still struggle if you can't keep those DCs up.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #244 - Oct 12^th, 2016 at 11:08pm	Print Post
	You can probably overcome the wisdom hit with gear. It should also be notted that this build was created before we could craft Insightful focus items, so thats an extra 2-3 to the DC right there. Even missing the 1 focus feet a few points of wisdom, you could get PK up to a solid 82-83.

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Forest Ex Member	Re: The Great Terror Reply #245 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 12:31am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 12^th, 2016 at 5:10pm: Ruminating on this for a bit... You wouldn't loose too terribly much converting over to PF. The leveling order even means you only need a +1 heart/ The obvious feat-drop is Enchantment Focus. Take it at lvl 12, then get Greater sometime in epics. Or find a way to live without it. You're only loosing 1 to the DV. Finding the APs for Communion of Scribbing will be tough. Dropping a few of the wisdom Wisdom takes a major hit, but that, too, can be made up. The build calls for +5 tomes, I've got +7s. You can also sneak more wisdom into the build. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the DC going to benifit from a "Wisdom Skills" item? Over all, the conversion would only hurt you for 1-2 DC. Not a bad trade-off to get all the benefits of Bladeforged. No. You give away the human damage boost, the wisdom boost, and the extra feat on a already tight feat build. Not sure what the point of BF on it is but is a non-starter for the trade offs.


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edgarallanpoe Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 11 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2016	Re: The Great Terror Reply #246 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 10:40am	Print Post
	Quote: No. You give away the human damage boost, the wisdom boost, and the extra feat on a already tight feat build. Not sure what the point of BF on it is but is a non-starter for the trade offs. Completely agree...he is looking at the self healing of the BF. Again, if all he is running is LH, EH or EE over level it will work. I'm with you though...a non starter for me now that I have actually run the build.


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edgarallanpoe Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 11 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2016	Re: The Great Terror Reply #247 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 10:45am	Print Post
	Quote: You can probably overcome the wisdom hit with gear. It should also be notted that this build was created before we could craft Insightful focus items, so thats an extra 2-3 to the DC right there. Even missing the 1 focus feet a few points of wisdom, you could get PK up to a solid 82-83. Not sure how. I have crafted all the good stuff and I am still only at a 66 wis. I have the +6 wis tome but I am missing the +4 quality wis. I can boost to over 70 but i'm not at a standing 70 like I would want. Losing wis and enchant bonuses would make getting that 80 DC very difficult. I would like to see a breakdown of that if you have the time.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: The Great Terror Reply #248 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 11:51am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 12^th, 2016 at 11:08pm: You can probably overcome the wisdom hit with gear. It should also be notted that this build was created before we could craft Insightful focus items, so thats an extra 2-3 to the DC right there. Even missing the 1 focus feet a few points of wisdom, you could get PK up to a solid 82-83. You are correct that gear power creep from U32 would allow you to create the same DC as from 6 months ago with a BF. Which should work the same in all content. Since the newest content is very easy on the DC's (Legendary raids are higher), if the DC's from the build worked in April-May, they will still work today. Now, of course, you can use that gear power creep to get the DC's up even higher than they were by sticking with the original build. But, depending on how reliable they were previously, this may have diminishing returns. If you were already at no fail or close to no fail, it might not add much value. Since CC crafting and Slavers crafting and the slavers sets will give you a bunch of pluses to the DC's, you can choose if you want to maintain current DC levels and add survivability with the BF or stick with the build as is and have higher DC's. I'd be curious to see it in action.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: The Great Terror Reply #249 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 12:54pm	Print Post
	There's certainly no harm in trying. Even if it doesn't work out, the DPS is still pretty high. I think I'll try this next-life. The goal was not to claim a BF version is "better", simply to get good self-healing. And some swanky chin-blades.

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