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Fran still unable to do EE quests
May 16th, 2016 at 8:01pm
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My Pure Warlock {2nd Life alt with mediocre gear} is still the only Character I have that is even close to being EE Capable in a Group - Solo? FORGET IT! LE? FORGET IT!
This despite the fact I have 2 6th Life Mains {One of them a Barb, the other ok in the middle of a Druid Past Life and not even going to step into Epics!}, A 4th Life main ES Warlock 16/Rogue 2/Clr 1 Morninglord who doesn't even have HALF the DPS of my Pure Warlock but can trap! And 5 3rd Lifers {3 of whom I consider mains, 1 is my Crafter - Arti and one Alt Tempest {2xRanger} who had zero defense on 1st and 2nd Life and is stuck at Lvl 10 on 3rd because I messed up and took a 7th Ranger level when I was planning 14 Pally/6 Ranger!
  
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Re: Fran still unable to do EE quests
Reply #1 - May 16th, 2016 at 8:20pm
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Gotta give the man credit, hes got hella lot alts.
Now if you count how many mains and alts on every server he has and if you combine them all into 1 single character fran could be the most potently strong being in ddo universum!

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Reply #2 - May 16th, 2016 at 8:24pm
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Fran gives his opinion on balancing classes and enhancement trees even though he's unable to do EE quests.

It's like a newbie who gives his opinion about warlocks based on his experience in Korthos as a level 1 warlock trying to kill stuff with shitty eldritch blast damage.
  
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Has he considered playing on a lower difficulty? Why YES! Yes he has!
  
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Reply #4 - May 17th, 2016 at 12:08am
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Maybe he would be a master of Fran Bow. http://www.franbow.com.

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And here I am with what I call the Lords test, where I run EE Lords upon reaching level 20, and if I can't beat it, I TR that toon ASAP.
  
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Reply #6 - May 17th, 2016 at 2:36am
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Illiterate wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 8:24pm:
Fran gives his opinion on balancing classes and enhancement trees even though he's unable to do EE quests he can't do basic math.


FTFY

That's the issue with most of the people who wail about some change:  They don't know math, and therefore can't see that 3 is simply a larger number than 1.

When that basic fact escapes you there's no hope of you managing to balance anything at all, including a checkbook.

Look at the guy in the OP.  He makes a pile of assumptions about the class and then critiques the class based on his assumptions.

The Warlock was designed to do in melee exactly what it does:  Turtle up and let the blasts and aura kill stuff dead.  Making the assumption that it was intended to do significant, actual 'beat stuff with a pointy thing until it is dead' melee DPS is the failed assumption which causes the arrival at a failed conclusion.  And then the proposals for how to fix the class to do what it was never meant to do in the first place are also failures.

Look at his opening paragraph:
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As we know, the warlock PrE enlightened spirit was meant to provide the platform for a tanky warlock that could combine melee with magic. This design intend is all over the tree: extra HPs, PRR, initially heals (now nerfed to just hamp), light damage on hit, passive eldritch burst (hence not needing to pew pew), AoE debuffs, and melee power. There is absolutely no doubt that this is all stuff that is meant to make melee viable.

Aside from the fact that starting an argument with an "as we know" is presumptuous and treads close to being a logical fallacy, look at his list of things that "as we know" make Warlocks in the ES tree melee combatants:
"extra HPs, PRR, initially heals (now nerfed to just hamp), light damage on hit, passive eldritch burst (hence not needing to pew pew), AoE debuffs, and melee power."
Of that list only "damage on hit" and "melee power" actually apply.  The rest are present in piles of classes and enhance trees and destinies that are not intended to do melee damage.

Then he turns around and lets us know that he actually does know how the ES Lock plays best.  Quote:
Soon most players have realized that melee is absurd with a warlock ES. A typical ES build plays in unyielding sentinel, turtles up and blasts the enemies to death.
But he just doesn't like it.

I'd respect an argument that began with that accurate summation of how the ES Lock is played and then delved into what he doesn't like about it and his suggestions for changes much more than the disingenuous "It's meant to work this way, so here's how to make it work that way" BS that he actually went with.

But in the end it's a pointless exercise, because Turbine isn't going to change the class or the enhance tree into some kind of "Does the same exact DPS overall, just in the way I'd prefer" pointless waste of their time.  They can't sell more of them just because they are different but just the same.  They already got their "initially OP" sales under their belts, and now they are just going to get trickle sales of VIP subs which give access to the class or TP purchases of access to the class.
  

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WeHaveLived wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 2:12am:
And here I am with what I call the Lords test, where I run EE Lords upon reaching level 20, and if I can't beat it, I TR that toon ASAP.


My test is spies ee at 20 since it tests your trap survival /in case no traping, your fort bypass and your spell rotation efficiency (really nice quest to test most builds at 20)
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Reply #8 - May 17th, 2016 at 9:02am
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"Fixing Enlightened Spirit" seemed like the wrong name for that thread.  Perhaps, "Making Warlock do all things so I don't have to learn other classes or how to multiclass" would have been a better name. 

I mean FFS, who looks at the Warlock class and thinks, "Yep, we need to spend time making that class better at melee so it has 0 shortcomings, fuck all the other truly overpowered classes like Clerics, they can wait."
  

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Reply #9 - May 17th, 2016 at 9:31am
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Spoon wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:02am:
fuck all the other truly overpowered classes like Clerics

Fuck a cleric; get sexual healing.
  

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Revaulting wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:31am:
Fuck a cleric; get sexual healing.


That's only an option if you're playing a halfling or gnome character.
  

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Reply #11 - May 17th, 2016 at 10:26am
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Reply #12 - May 17th, 2016 at 10:29am
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Lelouch wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 8:20pm:
Gotta give the man credit, hes got hella lot alts.
Now if you count how many mains and alts on every server he has and if you combine them all into 1 single character fran could be the most potently strong being in ddo universum!


You mean Fran is a whole divided Stoddard??
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Re: Fran still unable to do EE quests
Reply #13 - May 17th, 2016 at 10:39am
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A)  Fran doesn't know how to play.  A 28 point build warlock with shit gear can absolutely contribute in any EE group. 

B)  The warlock/melee build exists and is quite fun.  Do it with bard, for example.  It's not as powerful as the pure Warlock, but it is still OP.
  
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Reply #14 - May 17th, 2016 at 10:59am
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That's fucking hilarious.  My first life 16 wiz 2fvs 2rogue shiradi  deep gnome can solo just about any soloable EE and I've solo'd the new stuff except search and rescue.  I went 2rogue for evasion with insightful reflexes.  Has a 90 reflex.  Evasive little thing she is. 

Guess Fran is still eating at the kiddies table.
  
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Lelouch wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 8:20pm:
Gotta give the man credit, hes got hella lot alts.
Now if you count how many mains and alts on every server he has and if you combine them all into 1 single character fran could be the most potently strong being in ddo universum!



Not certain, lots of European Refugees have 14+ Alts on several servers...
But yes he push Altaholism towards the Extreme.
  

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Flav wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 12:47pm:
But yes he push Altaholism towards the Extreme.



And retardism.
  
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And retardism.

And gayism.
  

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Reply #18 - May 17th, 2016 at 10:29pm
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Not sure what Frans problem is.. my 'Lock can solo anything provided it doesn't have mechanics demanding more then one player to proceed/complete. The new quests had me slobbering to try the chest glitch, but they friggin fixed it..

Odd... other shit that is a monumental pain in every players sphincter goes on for ages, but something potentially beneficial... "ZOMG.. WE GOTTA FIX THIS SHIT FAST!!"  Undecided
  
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Fuck a cleric; get sexual healing.


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Illiterate wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 8:01pm:
My Pure Warlock {2nd Life alt with mediocre gear} is still the only Character I have that is even close to being EE Capable in a Group - Solo? FORGET IT! LE? FORGET IT!
This despite the fact I have 2 6th Life Mains {One of them a Barb, the other ok in the middle of a Druid Past Life and not even going to step into Epics!}, A 4th Life main ES Warlock 16/Rogue 2/Clr 1 Morninglord who doesn't even have HALF the DPS of my Pure Warlock but can trap! And 5 3rd Lifers {3 of whom I consider mains, 1 is my Crafter - Arti and one Alt Tempest {2xRanger} who had zero defense on 1st and 2nd Life and is stuck at Lvl 10 on 3rd because I messed up and took a 7th Ranger level when I was planning 14 Pally/6 Ranger!


How many "mains" is that? 6? I don't think he knows what that word means. I have 6 completionists, that still does not make all of them mains.
  

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ZooperDooper wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
Odd... other shit that is a monumental pain in every players sphincter goes on for ages, but something potentially beneficial... "ZOMG.. WE GOTTA FIX THIS SHIT FAST!!"  Undecided


That's the way Turbine rolls.
Bad for players?  Meh.
Good for players?  Fix that shit ASAP.
  
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Reply #23 - May 18th, 2016 at 7:17pm
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Fran is weak, ass, shit.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 2:08pm:
How many "mains" is that? 6? I don't think he knows what that word means. I have 6 completionists, that still does not make all of them mains.


When I see Fran say something like "I have 2 6th Life Mains" the first thing that occurs to me is that all 6 of those past lives were probably in the same class.  Because he is stupid like that.
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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