harharharhar wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 1:40pm:

This is pants on head. Everything lately keeps pointing to how great the returns are when you pair ranged power and SA. The build already has sniper shot so you don't actually need to make any allowances for gear. Not that I'm buying your implication that having to "focus gear" is such a pain. At most it's deception and improved deception.

I'm starting to think a good yardstick for ranged builds is  SA damage after ranged power and ranged SA distance. Two numbers, call it effective SA rating.

Also, I think it's a shitty argument to try to say that elemental damage is better. There's no reason you can't do both. Sure you are forced into a choice for the level 30 feat but trying to make it an either/or argument for the build overall is pants on head again.

And on the topic of that feat, Hide/3 * RP will beat 10 extra elemental power being applied to at best 9d8 elemental imbue.

How the hell are you making throwers and advocating against SA? Unzip the fly and take a look.

Vaultaccount wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 7:08pm:


Manyshot lasts 20 seconds. Without manyshot, shuriken is better dps (with or without 10k). Fight against harry lasts roughly 1 minute. 2/3 of the time you will / should be using a shuriken imo. Not to mention that even during the time you use a bow, you'd be better served getting the 5% doubleshot from shadow arrows if you can (and you certainly can!).

Also, the question is once again raised: what other destiny feat would you take in its place? Silver + cold iron (destiny), means your green steel breaks pretty much any and all dr that matters.

Quote:

is there anything else worth farming?

...or even "trolling" on a fansite forum dedicated to it.

Get a life, dude. Seriously...
Living in a fantasy world isn't healthy. 

[] wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

[] wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:50am:


I'm more of a Polynesian tropical island fan.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:


25% precision
5% ship
15% grim
21% armor piercing
25% assassins trick
25% mark of the hunted
-------------------
106% fortification and sneak bypass w/ 1 ranger and 1 mechanic in party (add on 50% on constructs from wracking shot and smiting arrows)

Plenty of fort/sneak bypass when raiding

Dr Faustus wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:


HOW DOES YOUR BUILD GET ASSASSINS TRICK? OR MARK OF THE HUNTED?

If you wanted to make it clear to people that this is build meant to capitalize on a well formed raid party with people using their class abilities well, you should have posted that in the OP.

Solo or small party this build is worse than most other top tier thrower builds.

I like SA damage, I was ont of it's earliest advocates on a thrower when Mech changes came last year.

However, due to it's only part time application, generally, it's always better to go for physical damage, or some other always applied form of damage. That's just stupid math and law of averages.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:


yes, from the guy who always ran a 20 Monk in Shiradi, I bet your shadowdancer build is really good at killing trash really fast (like everyone else who plays DDO and isn't a retard).

I'm guessing your red named DPS leaves a great deal to be desired. Do you have any red name kobold or other red named DPS tests to show for it? I'm just curious, since I seem to be the only one making throwers who ever did those. Please correct me if I am wrong.

gibbon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:



Did you forget the part where lvl 30 feats dont just provide elemental power but a separate scaling proc? You sort of leave that out when you mention Hide/3 * RP.

If your Hide is 150 Perma, that's 50dmg * (180RP*1.5) = 135dmg (very good, when it procs).  2d20 from Scion of Air * 500 Spell power is 100 avg damage, and you dont have a range or Sneak Attack requirement on it. The damage portion is basically a wash if youve slotted deception gear and have LOTS of Armor piercing, and extended SA range. Even then calling it a wash is being a little generous but whatever. And that's just on stuff that has fort, not SA attack immune.

You might be on crack.

I'm not advocating against SA. I made the original SA thrower build (Dark Stars) like 2 years ago. BEFORE scalling and RP. But SA never applied 100% of the time, and with range issue, ON A THROWER, its far less than 100% of the time. I know this from years of playing throwers. SA is awesome on thrower, but it should be your tertiary concern AFTER

1. Throw Speed (Easy to max since mostly feats + haste, but still number 1)
2. Missile Proc Rate (SE/ANT/Doubleshot)
3. Physical Damage
4. Elemental/Alignment proc dmg/missile
5. SA Damage

*If you dont want to be a piece of shit noob who can only kill trash.

Digimonk wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:


This is an interesting 3rd path, and is arguably the most conservative (least damage but most consistently applied).