spathic wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:


If I recall from my time on the motherboards, players have hinted(in reference to him) that there was actualyl a way to view the actual drop rates. Not by doing anything illegal or through any kind of hacking, but something to do with viewing information passing between the servers and the client. Someone had done this, posted rates, and recieved a permaban.

Other players were also banned, and the ones that escaped learned that any real talk of the drop rates would result in swift retribution, even hinting that there WAS a way to view the rates required not a small amount of innuendo and double-speak.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:


I don't deny your conclusions. They could very definitely modify drop-rates in a per-character basis.

I guess the question is why would they? I can easily back you on it being possible, I just can't think of a single application that doesn't call for the mother of all tinfoil hats

Rodrak was around here some time ago. But he is not anymore for almost a year.
He was extracting and posting the actual loot rates from the game files. One of his last posts:

Rodrak wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 10:16am:

Digimonk wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:


They probably do not have that level of tweaking, but I agree that they have flags they can use to raise/lower the chances on a quest by quest basis for the loot on the server side.

We all know that they can toggle XP Bonus on/off and that it's not a set value but a value that they enter in a field in the admin client. ( who remember when the intern fucked up the change and quests gave 10% of the XPs instead of 110% ? )

noamineo wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

Anecdotal evidence is not worth the breath used to utter it.  5k people run a quest.  One person gets the drop they want on the first run.  Their anecdotal evidence is that the quest has a great drop rate.  4,999 people don't get the drop they want after 15 runs.  Their anecdotal evidence is that the quest has a stingy drop rate.

All that adds up to is that a 1% drop rate means that when 5k people run the quest and there are 5 different drops, on average 10 of them will get the drop they want on the very first run.

It's human nature to try to find patterns in things, but that human nature is often just wrong.  There are quests I've run where I've gotten the drop I wanted almost immediately, and quests I've run where I've been there 20 times with no luck.  And that's because of luck, not some evil scheme by Turbine to reward early adopters of packs or VIP players, and to punish people who buy the pack later or don't have a VIP sub.

Can they do it?  Sure.  It's completely possible to do.  Why would they do it is the question to ask.  Making their content obsolete after a few weeks by cutting the drop rate by some amount would seem to be counterproductive.

I tend to disbelieve tin foil hat theories out of hand.  Bush didn't plan 9/11, airplane con trails aren't delivery mechanisms for chemicals, and Hillary isn't running a sex slave ring out of the non-existent basement of a pizza parlor.  Turbine is probably not bothering to adjust their drop rates on a per character or per-time basis, either.

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:06am:


Thats not "anecdotal evidence". That's statistics.

"Anecdotal evidence" would be hundreds of posts on the motherboards of people saying "I ran this quest hundreds of times and never saw a single named item drop, let alone the item I wanted." Followed up by posts of other people saying "Weird, when I ran the quest right after it came out, I got every item in three runs, including the super special rare item."

The anecdotal evidence is consistent: players, in great numbers, report higher drop rates shortly after a new quest is released, and significantly lower rates a few weeks later. You can argue all you want that because its not hard statistics it can't be true, but the sheer number of people reporting it can't be wrong.

noamineo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

Yes, they can.  This is why you fail, you fall for populist ideas instead of looking at statistics.

You're seriously using posts on a forum as the basis for your argument?  lol...

Person 1 gets their drop on the first run and makes a post on the forums about it, you read it and this is somehow significant you you.
Persons 2-99 run the same quest and get whatever drops and make no posts.  You have no idea what they experienced.
Person 100 runs the quest 50 times and doesn't get the drop they want and makes a post on the forums bitching about the drop rate, and you read it and this is somehow significant you you.


So, you've now got one post claiming "Yippe!  I got my drop on the first run!  This shit is great!" and one post claiming "Fuckstick!  I've run this thing into the ground and never get my drop.  Shit is broken."

You're the kind of person who would manage to assume some grand conspiracy theory out of this anecdotal evidence.  The rest of the rational world just sees two unrelated data points with no correlation between them.

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

Apparently you give a fuck since you've made multiple posts regarding the drop rate of it and the anecdotal evidence tied to it.

You sure bailed pretty quickly on providing facts and actual data regarding your statement that the RoSS drop rate is 1%.   

Keep on herpa derpin.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 3:00pm:

As usual, you can neither read nor comprehend.

Let's remind you of what I actually said:
Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 10:15am:


After you spend an hour with a dictionary figuring out the big words, you might want to try to understand the difference between saying "an under 1% chance" and a claim that the exact drop rate is 1%.

The fact is, I don't know what ther exact drop rate is, and neither do you.  I believe that it's under 1%, but I could be wrong.

I'm an adult, I can stand to be shown that I'm wrong and I will learn and adapt from the experience.  You, on the other hand, are a child.  You have a psychological need to try to prove your Daddy figures wrong because you think that will make you a grownup.  It will not.  You are now and will always be a child regardless of your biological age.

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

You sure are posting a lot in this thread for someone that doesn't give a fuck about it.   

Secondly, you didn't actually remind me of what you said about the drop rate on the RoSS.  You substituted something that wasn't relevant just to try and spin away from your stupid.  Luckily due to the interwebz, it takes like 30s to go look up your original statement anyway.
Here it is:
Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

You pretty explicitly said that the RoSS has approximately a 1% drop rate.  Your exact words were "~1%".

You tried to insult my use of self-admitted anecdotal evidence by using... anecdotal evidence from to a different topic.  Then you doubled down on your herpa derping and demanded "actual data" and facts.

If actual data and facts are so important to you, by all means, show us your data and facts for the ~1% drop rate on the RoSS.  Otherwise, kindly shove the ~1% up your ass because shit is about all that number is worth and your ass is where it belongs.

Pro-tip:  Don't try to belittle people for using anecdotal evidence based on years of personal experience and then turn right around and pull a random number out of your ass to try and prop up your weak, bs point.  It just shows how stupid you really are.


Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

By the way, this might be the biggest pile of BS you've yet posted.  I'm not even editing in herpa derp for that quote because it deserves to be preserved in all it's stupid glory.

If this were true, you wouldn't be constantly doubling down on your stupid and digging the holes you argue yourself into even deeper like you've done in the recent cleric build.

I'd rather grind for an ERoSS than the grinding Herp and Derp are doing all over The Vault. I do hope their balls finally drop, though.

spathic wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 7:01pm: