5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:


Exactly. Can't take this guy seriously

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

Just parked by the door with a gxbow on autofire and no IPS eh?  Cherry picking a raid which involves a metric ton of running back and forth for melee as if that proves anything except that design of that one raid heavily favors ranged?  Seriously?  You essentially just said "in this mission where I can repeatedly snipe mobs and kill them before melee get close, I easily led the kill counts?" in a way that implies that's a good measure of a build's potential DPS.

I expect these sort of stupid games from harhar but not from you.  You of all people should know better 5FS.  The math doesn't support this BS.

You're either full of crap or you're running with serious melee scrubs.  Maybe your melee teammates were "just parked by the door with autoattack on", too?   

Melee hit rate w/ high/max BAB, blinding speed and haste boosts, 45%+ attack speed bonuses from feats, enhancements and destiny stuff is better than gxbow rate of fire.  Combine that with near 100% doublestrike, ~200 melee power, and 14-18x4 + 19-20x6 (or better) crit profiles on a build spec'd for crit+helpless damage and it puts a gxbow to shame.

Gxbow builds are the warlocks of ranged.  They're a simple build and as a result, easy to play to a decent level of efficiency.  Just like warlocks though, their maximum potential is lower than good shuricannons and melee builds when run by an equally skilled min/maxer.

harharharhar wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

Says the guy trying to make claims about melee builds who doesn't really know the details of melee builds.

harharharhar wrote on Nov 20^th, 2017 at 3:31pm:

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Sorry, that might have been ambiguous but I didn't mean kill count by "outkill".   DPS = killing mobs, which, to me is different from, even if related, to kill count.  I should have used "out DPS" instead.

Yes, I've run a gxbow build very similar to that.  Twice actually.  It's good DPS and fairly simple to play well, but it not much DPS as a good shuricannon. 

A good melee build in the hands of a highly skilled player is more raw DPS than shuri outside of unbridled.

I haven't ran this particular build myself, but it's a decent example of what a good melee can do.  There are several melee builds with this sort of potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHFAZAmOsUU

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

Not sure that's something to be bragging about. But many can't resist trying to "impress pugs" with killcounts instead of damaging targets that matter and leave trash for instakills or be. Much like 1 hour pug Shroud.
Rubbinns wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:

That's your channel Ruby ?

Wipe wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

no, symbiot of phantom company.

harharharhar wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

1. 40-50k
2. 10k~
3. takes forever

harharharhar wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

to get those times the rotation includes expending adrenaline charges in addition to having unbridled every 3rd second

shavara on a shuri

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:


But what about the Trees, bruh?

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:

Yep, this is what I'm talking about.   Outside of the 30s of Unbridled Fury glory, proper melee builds wipe the floor with ranged DPS.  Kind of funny how some people are too biased or just plain ignorant of melee potential to consider it.

Shuricannons are the boss killers, DPS melee and DC casters are the mission clearers.  Gxbow builds are the warlocks of ranged (aka a load of meh).

For shuris, even that statement becomes debatable in high-skull boss fights since the damage reduction penalty makes the fight last significantly longer than 30s.  Shuris still hold the advantage in certain boss fights where the boss has nasty AEs that can 1-shot non-homer tank melee builds.  On the rest, melee hold their own or pull ahead.

Outside of Unbridled, a DPS melee with haste boost beats a shuricannon with 10ks and dmg boost.  It's also easier to get more action boosts on a melee due to LD and splashing Kensai.   Shuricannons don't have those options in FotW with monk and ranger.

Swapping in a Draconic Reinvigoration weapon every 1.6 mins makes it easily possible to use haste boost every time it's off timer on a melee and have very few issues getting from shrine to shrine before running out, too.

The only real issue for DPS melee builds is adding in enough defenses to survive in high skull reaper without neutering their DPS too much.  That's a tricky balancing act, but it can be done.

harharharhar wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

The higher the skulls go, the more incorrect those statements become.

For some of the newer content, it doesn't even require reaper to invalidate those statements.   Portals in L Shroud, the dragon in Riding the Storm Out, etc.

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 10:49am:


Anyone who says Xbows are not still ridiculously powerful just frankly has never played one or looked closely enough.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 12:25am:


high skulls are level drains and vorpals which highly favor throwers. Against bosses, you dump DPS.