Digimonk wrote on Dec 1
st, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Or maybe you were the one running with newbs. See how that works?
Let's assume that I know what I'm talking about when it comes to shuricannons and stop playing that stupid game. My previous posts on the topic should be enough evidence to support the assumption. Additionally, shuricannons are my favorite build type and play style to run so if anything, I'm biased towards them, not against them.
IPS is the biggest factor that makes shuricannons appear stronger than melee. A good shuricannon will often kill a couple mobs in a horde before melee even get in melee range but there's a big difference between "out killing" and "doing more raw DPS". In particular, if you think xbow builds were more raw DPS than top-tier melee, you're way off base.
I assure you there are melee builds that bring just as much, if not more, DPS to the table than shuricannons do outside of that 30s of glory every 5 minutes known as Unbridled Fury. I've run with a couple of players who just roflstomp things on a melee build. I do think there are far fewer highly skilled melee players than there are shuricannons these days. I think that tends to skew the perception of power in favor of the shuricannons.
Good players are rare in DDO. Good shuricannons, moreso. Top-tier melee DPS players are near unicorn level rarity, but they do exist and you'll know when you actually see one.
I suspect part of the issue is that until we had reaper, trash mobs had low enough hit points that there was little practical difference in hitting/critting for 2k (shuri) vs 6k+ (melee). Either one generally equals a dead mob in EE. In reaper, that doesn't necessarily hold true and thus, the difference in raw DPS becomes easier to see.
this is cute.
And up until quitting, I was in arguably the best/most talented guild on Khyber after Revenants (Elite Raiders)
My guildies were absolutely not newbs, they were among the best players on Khyber. And the channel people I ran with were the other best players on Khyber.
Again, if something happened to melees I haven't tracked in the last 6 months, then so be it. But when I quit, melees were not out killing throwers, with the occasional exception of Jenn who is arguably the best melee player I've ever seen in game.
I have no doubt with recent nerfs and buffs melee's, when they aren't dead, can out single target DPS a thrower outside of unbridled. But it isn't by very much, and they will often be dead or have to back out of DPS to not die and heal/rebuff.