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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #150 - Jan 25^th, 2018 at 8:04pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 5:59pm: "Only", lol. Something you guys aren't getting because you're theorycrafting instead of playing: This is a fun build to play.� Yes, Blitz disappearing on teleport doors sucks donkey balls, but you can mitigate that well enough by knowing the quest. ive played throwers, including ones in LD, longer than almsot anyone who still plays DDO, except maybe 5FS. Most of you in this thread are the ones who have only ever played this build, or maybe 14/6 from pre-u36. This build is actually a lot less fun to play for me. because you just autoattack. Every bit of active play from a Fury build has been stripped out. On top of that you potentially lose a significant amount of DPS everytime you must portal somewhere because Blitz, which is not actually all that rare in quests and raids. That isn't this builds fault of course, but it matters nonetheless. And finally, I have this build at 25, I know exactly how it plays. It's a line up mobs and autoattack build, at level 30 with final gear set it's no different, the numbers just get bigger.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #151 - Jan 25^th, 2018 at 9:43pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 5:59pm: "Only", lol. Something you guys aren't getting because you're theorycrafting instead of playing: This is a fun build to play.� Yes, Blitz disappearing on teleport doors sucks donkey balls, but you can mitigate that well enough by knowing the quest. I'm not sure either of them has ever actually done anything in DDO, besides post on the vault.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #152 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 11:59am	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 9:43pm: I'm not sure either of them has ever actually done anything in DDO, besides post on the vault. lol


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phoenix710 Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5 Joined: Nov 9^th, 2017	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #153 - Jan 28^th, 2018 at 8:38am	Print Post
	have you figured out the gear list? which twists are you using?


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #154 - Jan 28^th, 2018 at 12:00pm	Print Post
	Scroll back a page for the gear. I started with Whirling Wrists/Meld Into Darkness/Rejuv Cocoon/Enlightenment/A Dance with Flowers.� Lately I've been running Renewal instead of Meld for high skull reaper.� With 138 Devotion in offhand and 60 Heal, it's worthwhile. If most everyone I run with would actually twist it, I'd get rid of Cocoon for Stay Frosty I guess.
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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #155 - Jan 28^th, 2018 at 3:51pm	Print Post
	Is this build viable in the future? By that I mean in the next 2 months do you think it'll be nerfed/fixed? And how you lv this up? Melee + heart at X lv or just go ranged from start? I don't have a TR train.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #156 - Jan 28^th, 2018 at 4:02pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Jan 28^th, 2018 at 3:51pm: By that I mean in the next 2 months do you think it'll be nerfed/fixed? should be good. even shintao has months ahead of it, at worst. if duality doesn't get adjusted then spite and ranged builds will not be touched. eventually, I do expect ssg to further increase the ranged damage reaper penalty, and to adjust how spite dot works. we know once they do a druid pass that they will ruin tree and wolf builds.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #157 - Jan 29^th, 2018 at 1:28am	Print Post
	I run sense weakness, whirling wrists, pin, enlightenment, and dance of flowers,


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #158 - Jan 29^th, 2018 at 10:19am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 5:59pm: Something you guys aren't getting because you're theorycrafting instead of playing: This is a fun build to play. I've been playing the same build but without the RP/MP gimmick since June. http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1498343159 Yes, it is fun. No, there is nothing new under the sun.

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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #159 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 9:15am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 29^th, 2018 at 10:19am: I've been playing the same build but without the RP/MP gimmick since June. http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1498343159 Yes, it is fun. No, there is nothing new under the sun. LOOLOL SHADOWDANCER AND 146 POWER. Also 17-20 vs 15-20
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #160 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:29pm	Print Post
	Umm, yeah, it's not updated. Obviously LD got a huge boost with RL. I always said default to SD with SA immune heavy metagame (that's the only way pure monk can bypass SA immunity), but swap to LD when appropriate.

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #161 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:29pm: Umm, yeah, it's not updated. Obviously LD got a huge boost with RL. I always said default to SD with SA immune heavy metagame (that's the only way pure monk can bypass SA immunity), but swap to LD when appropriate. This is especially important in new Ravenloft content where LOTS of undead aren't taking any SA damage from me. I tried to say on the first page of this thread that this is not a new build, it's just a pure 20 thrower that is optimized for MP based on new Vistani tree, which again, as an idea MP was bandied about in 5FS's pure thread before RL was even released. This build is probably better in SD than LD for Ravenloft content


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #162 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 9:15am: LOOLOL SHADOWDANCER AND 146 POWER. Also 17-20 vs 15-20 Don't be a cunt just acknowledge what came before you


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #163 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:35pm: This is especially important in new Ravenloft content where LOTS of undead aren't taking any SA damage from me. [...] This build is probably better in SD than LD for Ravenloft content Um, what?� If you propose SD > LD, then provide the math to back it up.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #164 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:59pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 5:01pm: Um, what?� If you propose SD > LD, then provide the math to back it up. This build loses close to a third of it's DPS against undead because of SA immunity, SD allows a bypass to SA immunity. Undead problem solved.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #165 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:59pm: This build loses close to a third of it's DPS against undead because of SA immunity, SD allows a bypass to SA immunity. Undead problem solved. This proves and answers nothing. If it is doing 50% more in LD than in SD, losing 33% means it'd still be better in LD. Post the math or go home. Even beyond that, you're theorizing in a vaccum and/or assuming 100% solo runs. Being in a group with others who can enable sneak attack would obviously favor LD still.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #166 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 6:58pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:35pm: This proves and answers nothing. If it is doing 50% more in LD than in SD, losing 33% means it'd still be better in LD. Post the math or go home. Even beyond that, you're theorizing in a vaccum and/or assuming 100% solo runs.� �Being in a group with others who can enable sneak attack would obviously favor LD still.� I think maybe you dont understand the difference between sneak attack and sneak attack immunity. undead have immunity. Aggro is irrelevant as is number of people the party. Against undead, you are: -Not critting very much (depending on bypass value and fort) -not Sneak Attacking -probably reduced physical damage of some sort Also, LD is not even close to 50% more damage than SD for this build. You actually get more MP per tier of SD than LD (4 vs 3) for 24 You also get 6 more Dexterity (which is at least 3 base damage if not 6% missile rate if you aren't capped at 100 dex You also get 6 SA dice, plus a temp boost of 2 more SA dice You also get about 10 more Hide points You get a blanket 5% increase in physical damage debuff that procs with SA Immunity debuff which at 12 second duration is permanently up on mobs (4 stars a throw, 1.5 throws/sec = 3.4 secs to roll a 20 on avg) From LD you lose: +1 Crit Threat (again, against undead, this is of less consequence than other mobs) 70 - 6 (cores) for 62 more MP than in SD. Given that you are running around at or around 270MP, 270 v 208 MP is a difference of 23% physical damage (and SA dice) scaling from different MP. The worst part of not running in LD is actually not the loss of MP, it's the loss of Action Boost cooldowns for Prowess Set activation. However, with the massive amount of SA damage this build does, full time SA damage uptime from SD Core 6 makes it preferable to running in LD versus SA immune mobs. Eat dicks


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #167 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:42pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 6:58pm: I think maybe you dont understand the difference between sneak attack and sneak attack immunity. undead have immunity. Aggro is irrelevant as is number of people the party. Against undead, you are: -Not critting very much (depending on bypass value and fort) -not Sneak Attacking -probably reduced physical damage of some sort Also, LD is not even close to 50% more damage than SD for this build. You actually get more MP per tier of SD than LD (4 vs 3) for 24 You also get 6 more Dexterity (which is at least 3 base damage if not 6% missile rate if you aren't capped at 100 dex You also get 6 SA dice, plus a temp boost of 2 more SA dice You also get about 10 more Hide points You get a blanket 5% increase in physical damage debuff that procs with SA Immunity debuff which at 12 second duration is permanently up on mobs (4 stars a throw, 1.5 throws/sec = 3.4 secs to roll a 20 on avg) From LD you lose: +1 Crit Threat (again, against undead, this is of less consequence than other mobs) 70 - 6 (cores) for 62 more MP than in SD. Given that you are running around at or around 270MP, 270 v 208 MP is a difference of 23% physical damage (and SA dice) scaling from different MP. The worst part of not running in LD is actually not the loss of MP, it's the loss of Action Boost cooldowns for Prowess Set activation. However, with the massive amount of SA damage this build does, full time SA damage uptime from SD Core 6 makes it preferable to running in LD versus SA immune mobs. Eat dicks Maybe you don't understand the difference between a wall of text with some numbers and actual math. This wall of text didn't prove shit. All you've done is puke some numbers up that we already knew or could easily look up. Maybe you don't understand that if you have other people in your groups that enable SA on immune mobs, it doesn't matter if you have it. Kind of surprised even you missed that point but whatever. Additionally, you seem pretty dismissive of how much melee/ranged power affects Spite with it's extra base dmg. Sergod already stated that his build is at 100 Dex in LD in Fire Stance, so the difference in Dex is moot. 60 additional melee power plus more AB than you can generally use between shrines, the extra crit range, and the other minor goodies in LD likely put this on par or likely still even ahead of SD even when you're not critting. But hey, feel free to post some actual DPS math taking all the factors into account, or better yet, post a screenshot of you running 5FS's build getting > 2k damager per shuri on non crits. Shouldn't be that hard to do if you're right.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #168 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:49pm	Print Post
	The number of errors in everything that harhar said is hilarious. Please keep talking so that you can continue to prove your ignorance.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #169 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 11:23pm	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:49pm: The number of errors in everything that harhar said is hilarious. Please keep talking so that you can continue to prove your ignorance. convincing.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #170 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 11:24pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:42pm: Maybe you don't understand the difference between a wall of text with some numbers and actual math.� This wall of text didn't prove shit.� All you've done is puke some numbers up that we already knew or could easily look up. Maybe you don't understand that if you have other people in your groups that enable SA on immune mobs, it doesn't matter if you have it.� Kind of surprised even you missed that point but whatever. Additionally, you seem pretty dismissive of how much melee/ranged power affects Spite with it's extra base dmg.� Sergod already stated that his build is at 100 Dex in LD in Fire Stance, so the difference in Dex is moot.� 60 additional melee power plus more AB than you can generally use between shrines, the extra crit range, and the other minor goodies in LD likely put this on par or likely still even ahead of SD even when you're not critting. But hey, feel free to post some actual DPS math taking all the factors into account, or better yet, post a screenshot of you running 5FS's build getting > 2k damager per shuri on non crits.� Shouldn't be that hard to do if you're right. Here's an idea, PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS then log into DDO, and try running some RL stuff that's heavy on undead in SD and SEE WHAT YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF. Then you don't even need to fucking bother asking me.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #171 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 11:31pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 11:24pm: Here's an idea, PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS then log into DDO, and try running some RL stuff that's heavy on undead in SD and SEE WHAT YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF. Then you don't even need to fucking bother asking me. What server are you on? I'll transfer over and shit on your face. You have to eat it though.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #172 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 11:54pm	Print Post
	i'm on khyber, I already told you that. and you can transfer and poopsex wherever you want child.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #173 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 12:28am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 11:24pm: Here's an idea, PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS then log into DDO, and try running some RL stuff that's heavy on undead in SD and SEE WHAT YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF. Then you don't even need to fucking bother asking me. Yeah, guess you don't really have any math.� Thought so.� There's some serious irony in you talking about other people pulling things out of their ass considering you pull things out of yours on a regular basis.� This thread in particular is full of the turds you've pulled out. You're so desperate you're cheerleading for someone's else's build which you previously spent multiple posts claiming wasn't very good. I run RL Reapers regularly.� I have zero problems killing the undead.� I'm not even on Sergod's build and from the videos he's posted, that build hits harder than the non-SD shuri I'm currently using yet I still have zero problems with undead.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #174 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 11:56am	Print Post
	snowflakes every one of you


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