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Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS
Reply #125 - Jan 19th, 2018 at 1:27pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
Yes I was working this out last night in a spreadsheet. As Sergod mentioned, a big differentiator here is that, as you know, you have to stand still for AF.

For a pure monk the math isn't great, but for a split it's a lot better since a DWS ranger split can get 25 stacks of AF very quickly with Aimed Shot (and another 30RP).

I'm like lvl 24 with a version of pure monk Thrower (I don't think Sergods feats are maximized but thats just my opinion) and it is nice never having to click over to Precise Shot.

having ips up full time, being in ld for infi boosts, and not having to stay in one spot to build up AF/IAF.  all advantages to serg's build. the fury versions can still outburst it for 30 seconds every 5 minutes and put up a faster kobold time, but the ease of getting serg's version to full retard damage is so much easier, and with much higher uptime than 30 seconds every 5 minutes.
  

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Reply #126 - Jan 19th, 2018 at 2:07pm
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Let's hear how to optimize my feats. Go on harhar
  
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Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS
Reply #127 - Jan 19th, 2018 at 9:56pm
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Sergod wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 2:07pm:
Let's hear how to optimize my feats. Go on harhar


Level 1   : Point Blank Shot
Level 1(M):Shuriken Expertise
Level 2(M): Power Attack
Level 3   : Sneak of Shadows
Level 6   : Precise Shot
Level 6(M):10K Stars
Level 9   : Rapid Shot
Level 12 : Improved Critical
Level 15 : Improved Precise Shot
Level 18 : Completionist
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Improved Martial Arts
Level 26 : Epic Skill Focus Hide
Level 27 : Blinding Speed
Level 28 : Doubleshot
Level 29 : Harbringer of Chaos
Level 30 : Combat Archery
Level 30 : Scion of the Ethereal Plane


I did some looking into it, and I felt that was a pretty decent way.
  

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Reply #128 - Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:46pm
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Epoch wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
Level 1   : Point Blank Shot
Level 1(M):Shuriken Expertise
Level 2(M): Power Attack
Level 3   : Sneak of Shadows
Level 6   : Precise Shot
Level 6(M):10K Stars
Level 9   : Rapid Shot
Level 12 : Improved Critical
Level 15 : Improved Precise Shot
Level 18 : Completionist
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Improved Martial Arts
Level 26 : Epic Skill Focus Hide
Level 27 : Blinding Speed
Level 28 : Doubleshot
Level 29 : Harbringer of Chaos
Level 30 : Combat Archery
Level 30 : Scion of the Ethereal Plane


I did some looking into it, and I felt that was a pretty decent way.



Those are the same feats I have listed?  You funny
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Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS
Reply #129 - Jan 19th, 2018 at 11:09pm
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Copy/Paste is where it is at.
  

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Reply #130 - Jan 19th, 2018 at 11:27pm
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Epoch wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 11:09pm:
Copy/Paste is where it is at.

Ya fam. Its the bee's knees.
  
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Reply #131 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 11:23am
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I would use this list: 

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1498343159

but updated to drop quickdraw.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 24th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
Feat Progression:

Level 1   : Point Blank Shot
Level 1(M):Shuriken Expertise
Level 2(M): Precision
Level 3   : Precise Shot
Level 6   : Rapid Shot
Level 6(M):10K Stars
Level 9   : Completionist
Level 12 : Improved Critical
Level 15 : Improved Precise Shot
Level 18 : Weapon Focus Thrown
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Combat Archery
Level 26 : Epic Positive Spellpower
Level 27 : Epic DR
Level 28 : Doubleshot
Level 29 : Elusive Target
Level 30 : Sneak of Shadows
Level 30 : Scion of the Ethereal


2 ranged power from Weapon Focus is obviously strictly better than .5[W] from Improved Martial Arts.
  

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Reply #132 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 2:43pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 11:23am:
2 ranged power from Weapon Focus is obviously strictly better than .5[W] from Improved Martial Arts.

I think you meant Weapon Focus: Slashing or other +2 melee power feat.  Someone can show the math if 0.5[W] < +2 melee power. 

+5 Hide > Positive Spell Power.  SA is really good.

Also, no to Epic DR @ 27.  You want Blinding Speed for 22% ranged alacrity.

And Elusive Target over Harbinger of Chaos: Why???  If Displacement + Shadow Veil + 31(?)% Dodge isnt going to save you with your playstyle, ET wont.

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Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS
Reply #133 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 4:46pm
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If you want a max DPS build instead of a reaper build, okay.

Still no need for redundant alacrity when there are pots and clickies and casters around. HJASTE ME!!!!!!
  

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Reply #134 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 5:18pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 4:46pm:
If you want a max DPS build instead of a reaper build, okay.

Still no need for redundant alacrity when there are pots and clickies and casters around. HJASTE ME!!!!!!

What pots/clickies give 22% ranged alacrity?

I've soloed R5 Ravenloft quests with this build, so dont know what you're trying to say about DPS v reaper.
  
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Reply #135 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 6:04pm
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Carpone wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
What pots/clickies give 22% ranged alacrity?

I've soloed R5 Ravenloft quests with this build, so dont know what you're trying to say about DPS v reaper.


Yep. I do reaper 10s on the daily. I'm also not sure how spell power positive is good for reapers...lol.
  
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Reply #136 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 12:33am
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I'm also going to say that I am almost certain that .5W is more damage. I could be wrong though.
  
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Reply #137 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 1:00am
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Sergod wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 12:33am:
I'm also going to say that I am almost certain that .5W is more damage. I could be wrong though.


Specifically on Shuriken, since they are 1d2, a flat 2 Power, will be better than .5W once you break a certain threshold of die..  unless im horribly out of the loop again..

with 10W, the Power falls behind the minimum dmg, and slightly behind on the maximum, while 20W breaks about even both in Minimum and maximum, whereas 30W pushes ahead of .5W increases of both Minimum and Maximum dmg thresholds.



10.5d2 = 10.5-21 dmg
10d2 = 10-20 = 10.2-20.4 dmg

20.5d2 = 20.5-41
20d2 = 20-40 = 20.4-40.8

30.5d2 = 30.5-61
30d2 = 30-60 = 30.6-61.2

*All values for second equations multiplied by 1.02 [ ((100+2)/100) = 2% power gain, or 1.02] The more Power one has, the higher the W value will need to be to break even, or gain, on damage. I would need ballparks of current Power caps, as well as W caps to determine which is actually better however.

While the eventual gains, are merely marginal gains at best, 2 additional power, if you can exceed 30W, will be best choice over .5W gains. Im not sure what current max W is obtainable on stars, thats what you lot are for ^-^
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Reply #138 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 11:45am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 11:23am:
2 ranged power from Weapon Focus is obviously strictly better than .5[W] from Improved Martial Arts.

Vendui wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 1:00am:
Specifically on Shuriken, since they are 1d2, a flat 2 Power, will be better than .5W once you break a certain threshold of die..  unless im horribly out of the loop again..

In terms of endgame, the shuriken (spite) has a die size of [1d2+3]; this translates to a 4.5 damage median. Half of this (at 2.25) is then prone to scale with the existing 300+ Melee Power, which will lead to superior values than what 2 MP can grant; increasing the base number prior to exponential scaling is usually better than increasing the scaling factor, in terms of increments of merely 2 Melee Power.

Sergod wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 12:33am:
I'm also going to say that I am almost certain that .5W is more damage. I could be wrong though.
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Reply #139 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 12:07pm
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Carpone wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
What pots/clickies give 22% ranged alacrity?


Haste.

Sergod wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
Yep. I do reaper 10s on the daily. I'm also not sure how spell power positive is good for reapers...lol.


Sometimes you need to be able to heal yourself thru the debuff, and if you aren't throwing an occasional spot heal to a party member, then you are a waste of a slot. The alternative is a measly 2 SA damage.

Vendui wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 1:00am:
unless im horribly out of the loop again..


You can't take this guy seriously, he thinks MP/RP only applies to weapon dice...  Roll Eyes

Sergod wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 12:33am:
I could be wrong though.


I could presume math for your build, and then compare it to the out of date math for my old build. But really the only thing that matters is your average melee/ranged power. I'm ballparking you'd need about 230 average to come out ahead on IMA. I'm sure your build can exceed 230, but I'm also sure that it does not average that much.
  

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Reply #140 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 1:16pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 12:07pm:
Haste.


Sometimes you need to be able to heal yourself thru the debuff, and if you aren't throwing an occasional spot heal to a party member, then you are a waste of a slot. The alternative is a measly 2 SA damage.


You can't take this guy seriously, he thinks MP/RP only applies to weapon dice...  Roll Eyes


I could presume math for your build, and then compare it to the out of date math for my old build. But really the only thing that matters is your average melee/ranged power. I'm ballparking you'd need about 230 average to come out ahead on IMA. I'm sure your build can exceed 230, but I'm also sure that it does not average that much.


It averages more than that. I'm usually walking around higher than that, sans prowess. Haste does not give 22% ranged. You can't heal through the R10 debuff...
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Reply #141 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 2:17pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 12:07pm:
You can't take this guy seriously, he thinks MP/RP only applies to weapon dice... 


Not once did i state it only applied to weapon dice. I merely pointed out the fact, that once you get into larger values of Power, adding very small increases to that power, does very little due to diminishing returns. If i knew the base line of each throw, could easily determine at what exact W one would need to have IMA overpower 2 additional power. Again, larger Power totals, reduces the total effectiveness of more power in small increments..


  
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Reply #142 - Jan 24th, 2018 at 5:20pm
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Sergod wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 1:16pm:
It averages more than that. I'm usually walking around higher than that, sans prowess.


Walking around Ranged Power:
30 epic
15 LD
24 reaper ap
10 Mythic
10 item
4 artifact
2 inherent
40 henshin
=135 RP

Boosted:
70 blitz
75 prowess
30 action boost
=310

What am I missing?

Sergod wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 1:16pm:
Haste does not give 22% ranged.


Yes it does. Or blinding speed doesn't give 22%, depending on how you look at it. Either way, they are the same. Just don't use a speed 15 item.

Sergod wrote on Jan 21st, 2018 at 1:16pm:
You can't heal through the R10 debuff...


That's why you're supposed to heal the other guy.
  

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Reply #143 - Jan 24th, 2018 at 6:28pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 24th, 2018 at 5:20pm:
Walking around Ranged Power:
30 epic
15 LD
24 reaper ap
10 Mythic
10 item
4 artifact
2 inherent
40 henshin
=135 RP

Boosted:
70 blitz
75 prowess
30 action boost
=310

What am I missing?


Yes it does. Or blinding speed doesn't give 22%, depending on how you look at it. Either way, they are the same. Just don't use a speed 15 item.


That's why you're supposed to heal the other guy.


Blinding speed is 22% vs 15% from normal haste and anything else. Haste gives 15%...easy to test.

Some missing MP:

100 for prowess even though text says 75
20 from filigrees (10 from 2 sets and 10 from 2 MP filigrees)
10 from mist set
5 from Henshin Focus - T4
It is 18 MP for LD

+63 to your list


20 from crypt set if you don't use the superior silent avenger, was possible to do both before with cosmetic

Mythic could be higher than 10 if you have +3s on gear and +4 weapon. There are also reaper possibilities on items that will increase even more.

Also can get +2 for each of the melee weapon focus feats

Not sure where the 10 on item is from. Ring of prowess has 8...is there another item with 10?

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Reply #144 - Jan 24th, 2018 at 7:42pm
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Action boost and blizt are all the time not boosted...

Prowess is 50% uptime.
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Reply #145 - Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:12am
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Still not impressed with versatility. Assuming they fix it today, prowess only nets 17.5 over deadly rain.
  

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Reply #146 - Jan 25th, 2018 at 12:08pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:12am:
Still not impressed with versatility. Assuming they fix it today, prowess only nets 17.5 over deadly rain.


Bingo. And costs a zillion AP in Henshin and Vistani
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Reply #147 - Jan 25th, 2018 at 1:30pm
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Sergod wrote on Jan 24th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
Action boost and blizt are all the time not boosted...

Until you go through the bs in-mission zone transitions they puked all over the new RL content that kills blitz, auras, and multiple other effects and get stuck with a cooldown timer for no reason other than the devs incompetence.
  
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Reply #148 - Jan 25th, 2018 at 1:50pm
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Digimonk wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
Until you go through the bs in-mission zone transitions they puked all over the new RL content that kills blitz, auras, and multiple other effects and get stuck with a cooldown timer for no reason other than the devs incompetence.


bingo, except for long raids without portals, a big reason LD is a subpar destiny (it's shitty and should be fixed for sure).
  
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Reply #149 - Jan 25th, 2018 at 5:59pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:12am:
prowess only nets 17.5 over deadly rain.

"Only", lol.

Something you guys aren't getting because you're theorycrafting instead of playing: This is a fun build to play.  Yes, Blitz disappearing on teleport doors sucks donkey balls, but you can mitigate that well enough by knowing the quest.
  
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