The CC on flow / nightshard is banannas for the dps they put out. If you were a racist maybe it would be good to go that way but the CC is crazy.

Symbiont wrote on Sep 5^th, 2018 at 3:02pm:



Switched to almost exactly this.

What swap against skeletons that works with weapon finesse? Morninglord light maces? My to-hit is too low to use Beacon of Night effectively. Craft heroic Shroud Greater Disruption light maces?

You might also consider First Light the hammer from the Anniversary party. Doing the Light damage which it mistakenly labels as sonic makes it rather nice on a whole lot of mobs. Given that it should be back up soon its something to consider.

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:First_Light_(level_30)

If you don't want to spend a ton a mats 3xPos GS has a lot going for it still to this day.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 9:02pm:

I ended up pulling the Baba Light Hammer. Funny thing, that weapon, it has kopesh base dice. The paralyzing is great too. Pretty good swap for skeletons. I paired it with a Morninglord light hammer. Slotted with Deconstruct augments to give adam + bludgeon bypass on clay golems.

Now I just need to pull the Age of Rage scimitars and slot them with good to bypass cold iron + good for flensers/reavers/renders. The Byshek property for xorian renders/flensers/reavers

Lawful needs to be slotted somewhere for tharak hounds.

That should cover Shroud and TS/Hox for me.

Flow is already evil + chaotic. Gloves have silver, and I slotted Flows with good.

And I guess Celestia x2. Yay for citw until my eyes bleed!

harharharhar wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 11:46pm:

I'm scourge, AP layout is on page 3. Feats are same as Junk's in OP. If I had racial AP then i would aasimar over scourge.

harharharhar wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 2:28pm:

https://i.imgur.com/gKh7J3X.png

The dps would have to be massively in favor of the 18/2 dagger split to justify giving up the cc of Flow and Nightshard. Those weapons are stupidly good.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:


Yeah that makes sense given the [w]'s and current meta with those raid weapons like rubbins said. If they made dagger versions of flow and nightshard, maybe they'd be a legit option

Like, if you did 41 Tempest, 11 DWS for Exposing Strike, and 24'ish in VKF, you'd net:

- full 20% Morale DS, with +3[w] active and ~100% uptime, including rednames (so much better than single tier of Killer)
- +1[w] with daggers and centering for a Dance of Flowers twist for up to +2.5[w]
- Energy Drain Immunity (nice to have)
- +20% offhand DS T4 VKF
- +10% Main HAnd DS and +10% Off hand DS Core 3/T4 VKF
- Free Undead FE
- +8 damage from all the little bonuses added up

You would be giving up from DWS stopping at 11:
-10% fort bypass
- 1 SA dice.
- Not enough AP for KTA. Tho you could drop 20% offhand procs and do 21 in VKF, leaving 7 AP for KTA.
- Biggest thing is you would be missing 1 crit threat over Scimi/Rapier (but you're kind of making up for it with massively more doublestrike/offhand procs over DWS), which also really boosts the value of all that SA damage you would be doing.

It seems like it really just comes down to the weapon meta I guess because the split otherwise looks bananas better on paper than 21 in DWS.

what's the point of STR over DEX if you are using flow anyways?

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 30^th, 2018 at 10:23am:


sure sure I could have worded that better.  Tempests get more hits per second than assassin/vistani due to the off-hand doublestrike from tempest capstone, so the better threat range compensates for that.


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assassin/vistani daggers: 15-20x4 = 6*3 = 18
vs
tempest rapier/scimi: 14-20/x3 = 7*2 = 14
vs
vistani dagger: 16-20/x3 = 5*2 = 10

Assassin + Vistani makes daggers great, vistani alone gives daggers some mojo but its not's the be all end all DPS tree.

Bigjunk wrote on Dec 30^th, 2018 at 6:20pm:


Right, assuming you use Calamity for bosses. Help me understand what is the advantage of doing that. It's less base damage than Vulkoor's but you get your damage 38 times in 20 rolls, while the scimitar is getting it 37 times. It's a 2% improvement from this extra crit profile, but going DEX you can use Lore Fueled Packbanner for 10% insightful doublestrike (you can put the stun in the slaver item being CON/devotion/stun/QCON). So in theory the DPS is higher on Vulkoor, assuming someone has vulnerability, worst case using flow off-hand won't be very far behind.

You also save feats that can become melee power. On the other hand tempest spine is being run a lot, and finding a character with STR is a problem for parties.

side note: every build that has a free feat at 28 should take mass frog, very useful even with low wis because there's a lot of mobs with dumped will, and these are excatly the most annoying ones (stuff with typically high fortification and imune to helpless CC)

Vaultaccount wrote on Dec 30^th, 2018 at 8:39pm:



I'm pretty sure Dex is better at than STR at this point in time.   I'm still STR because I'm lazy and all my leveling weapons are Khopeshes.