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Vexation Waterworks Kobold Offline Blah, Blah, Blah... Posts: 173 Joined: Jul 11^th, 2012	Feather of Sun Logic Aug 7^th, 2012 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	Quote: Since there's so much misunderstanding about how it works as it is, we'd rather not cause further problems by changing it. You gotta love it. We've screwed this up so bad, no one really understands it so we're going to leave it that way so that we don't make it worse.
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rev Jim American Azog Offline I GOT VEINS Posts: 3627 Location: South Alabama Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #1 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	it's because he is afraid this will happen:
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	Quote: Rev. Jim. He is the only guy here that posts quality, you should all learn from him.
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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #2 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 12:40pm	Print Post
	Well he's a dumb fuck. BTC challenge ingredients and random rewards for those bound ingredients are incontrovertible evidence of that. Also the loot in the raid.


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Dracosanct Ex Member	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #3 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	Vexation wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 12:28pm: You gotta love it. We've screwed this up so bad, no one really understands it so we're going to leave it that way so that we don't make it worse. Borrowing this.


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Rodrak Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 232 Joined: Aug 10^th, 2011	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #4 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:04pm	Print Post
	In another thread he is "mythbusting" about loot tables working properly yet I'm not so sure he is right... His evidence is a screenshot of ml:25 item from live server but... let's just say that generic loot tables were increased up to level 31 (that's true) but there's also a couple of files with "progression" -> a simple list pointing the right treasure table entry for level 1-40. It's filled with proper treasure tables for level 1-23 and all above filled with level 23. You'd think it should be now 1-31 and 31 for all above? I can imagine the progression lists aren't used anymore (and the files are just obsolete and will be gone in some later expansion) and they are accessing treasure tables directly from some script or whatever, but knowing turbine's past record, it might be simply broken. Especially when the ml:25 item could have been taken from class specific end rewards. These were updated for levels 1-25 except for 2 "useless" classes that will get only up to level 23: cleric and favored soul So while he might be right and everything is perfectly fine, somehow I don't believe it at all.


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Bahgoon Stormreaver Piker Offline Get off my lawn! Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2011	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #5 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:07pm	Print Post
	From FoS' post . . . Quote: Currently, I am working on the treasure in Update 16 and 17. Everyone can now start anticipating the treasure in U16 and U17 as being FUBAR at release. Of course, that was always even money or worse odds to begin with but now we have DEV confirmation.

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #6 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	Good question about CR 30 challenges. If you're using a jewel +2 and do it during a +2 weekend, then you're above the 31 cap. Even farther above it if CR 30 challenges count as Elite dungeons.


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Name_Is_Not_Allowed Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 44 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #7 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:22pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Also the loot in the raid. One word, Broney [1]. I think it is safe to say that there should be no expectation of "logic" from any adult male that pays homage to My Little Pony, doubly so when it's done at work. This theory brought to you by an adult male that still plays Dungeons and Dragons so take that as you will. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p6LVZFLSfw


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Vexation Waterworks Kobold Offline Blah, Blah, Blah... Posts: 173 Joined: Jul 11^th, 2012	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #8 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	Oooh, I hope it's all randomized.� That makes it more exciting when you actually get something mildly useful. Something with ponies would be awesome... not.
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qwerty1234 Ex Member	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #9 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	Rodrak wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:04pm: In another thread he is "mythbusting" about loot tables working properly yet I'm not so sure he is right... His evidence is a screenshot of ml:25 item from live server but... let's just say that generic loot tables were increased up to level 31 (that's true) but there's also a couple of files with "progression" -> a simple list pointing the right treasure table entry for level 1-40. It's filled with proper treasure tables for level 1-23 and all above filled with level 23. You'd think it should be now 1-31 and 31 for all above? I can imagine the progression lists aren't used anymore (and the files are just obsolete and will be gone in some later expansion) and they are accessing treasure tables directly from some script or whatever, but knowing turbine's past record, it might be simply broken. Especially when the ml:25 item could have been taken from class specific end rewards. These were updated for levels 1-25 except for 2 "useless" classes that will get only up to level 23: cleric and favored soul So while he might be right and everything is perfectly fine, somehow I don't believe it at all. Every time you post treasure table information, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Keep it up.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #10 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:25pm	Print Post
	Name_Is_Not_Allowed wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:22pm: One word, Broney [1]. I think it is safe to say that there should be no expectation of "logic" from any adult male that pays homage to My Little Pony, doubly so when it's done at work. This theory brought to you by an adult male that still plays Dungeons and Dragons so take that as you will. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p6LVZFLSfw You spelled it wrong. It's Brony. You must not know who I am� I think the names of the loot are awesome, it's the stats, and the lack of other types of weapons that are fucking retarded. And forcing you to use said weapons to gain the bonus from the set with the Planar Focus.
	« Last Edit: Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:27pm by rest »

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Dracosanct Ex Member	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #11 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:25pm: You spelled it wrong. It's Brony. You must not know who I am� He must be confused by you changing back to the bird.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #12 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	Quote: He must be confused by you changing back to the bird. I don't think I've ever had a MLP avatar here.


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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #13 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	It seems that if the way "Quest End Rewards Based on Class" option currently works or how it is supposed to work is so misunderstood, then changing it couldn't make the way it works LESS well understood. How does this justify not making improvements or corrections? "I need to get from Boston to Dallas. I'm very busy and don't have time to learn to drive, so I will walk there instead."

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Invelios VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1965 Location: Houston, TX Joined: Aug 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #14 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:28pm: MLP My little parakeet?

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Dracosanct Ex Member	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #15 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:28pm: I don't think I've ever had a MLP avatar here. Posting history.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #16 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:37pm	Print Post
	Invelios wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:32pm: My little parakeet? Imagine Blank's avi here. I don't have time to search for it.


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Vexation Waterworks Kobold Offline Blah, Blah, Blah... Posts: 173 Joined: Jul 11^th, 2012	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #17 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:45pm	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:32pm: It seems that if the way "Quest End Rewards Based on Class" option currently works or how it is supposed to work is so misunderstood, then changing it couldn't make the way it works LESS well understood. How does this justify not making improvements or corrections? "I need to get from Boston to Dallas.� I'm very busy and don't have time to learn to drive, so I will walk there instead." Actually the real meaning is: We do not care to spend any of our precious, precious time fixing something that affects every player of the game because I am having more fun making up new things to torment players with that will be almost something they want, but not quite.� If they really really want it, the drop rate will be set to %.0000001 but we'll post a screenshot so they know it exists. Rewards restricted to class?� Who cares.� But I'll make it sound like we are doing players a favor by not making any adjustments to it. I sooooo rock.�


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Dracosanct Ex Member	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #18 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm	Print Post
	Vexation wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:45pm: Actually the real meaning is: We do not care to spend any of our precious, precious time fixing something that affects every player of the game because I am having more fun making up new things to torment players with that will be almost something they want, but not quite.� If they really really want it, the drop rate will be set to %.0000001 but we'll post a screenshot so they know it exists. Rewards restricted to class?� Who cares.� But I'll make it sound like we are doing players a favor by not making any adjustments to it. I sooooo rock.� Pretty much. I picked up a point and post deletion for asking him about the update 16 & 17 loot "will someone who plays the game be reviewing it prior to release?"


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #19 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 2:08pm	Print Post
	Quote: Pretty much. I picked up a point and post deletion for asking him about the update 16 & 17 loot "will someone who plays the game be reviewing it prior to release?" Nice! Put it in the infractions forum.


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Vexation Waterworks Kobold Offline Blah, Blah, Blah... Posts: 173 Joined: Jul 11^th, 2012	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #20 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 2:18pm	Print Post
	Quote: Pretty much. I picked up a point and post deletion for asking him about the update 16 & 17 loot "will someone who plays the game be reviewing it prior to release?" LOL. He is so sensitive. I think he has more posts deleted than any dev in the history of DDO. I laugh when I get an infraction for pissing him off because I know he read it and went crying to Cordovan to remove it. (Cordovan doesn't actually read all the posts- someone has to tell him when something needs moderating.) I imagine it makes steam rise up off his head while he curses those of us who do not appreciate his heroic efforts to do whatever he damn well pleases.


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Dracosanct Ex Member	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #21 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 2:24pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 2:08pm: Nice! Put it in the infractions forum. If I remember when I get home, I'll throw it up. Too lazy to do it from my phonr.


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Azog Ex Member	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #22 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 2:26pm	Print Post
	Quote: Pretty much. I picked up a point and post deletion for asking him about the update 16 & 17 loot "will someone who plays the game be reviewing it prior to release?" LOL & LOL.


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ertay Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 26 Joined: Aug 5^th, 2012	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #23 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 3:29pm	Print Post
	mythbusting my ass. if a regular forum member would have posted that the existence of a single item of completely unknown origin is proof that all loottables everywhere are working flawlessly, they would have been torn to pieces. If a dev does it, people start brownnosing.


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Goaticorn DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 405 Location: In a magical wonderland Joined: Jan 6^th, 2012	Re: Feather of Sun Logic Reply #24 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 1:28pm: I don't think I've ever had a MLP avatar here. You have, Twilight Sparkle


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