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Kalari Stormreaver Piker Offline Drama Ho! Posts: 701 Location: Michigan Joined: Jul 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #100 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:08am	Print Post
	neotheny wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:15am: i'm pretty sure they'll introduce more cleric domains. overall, i think enhancements are much costly now. almost everything is 2 ap from what i saw on forums. still looking forward to race pres. I hope so I heard talks of deathless and the like I really hope this is true since my fvs build was centered around the undying court as well and controlling undead. From what I have seen of the elven stuff its okay but far to centered around the dragonmarks for my liking, even playing around with it not really worth the price, their is a couple of things that have good synergy with archers but you have to invest in useless enhancements to have the points available to even bother, I hope this changes to. I have no use for some of the spot stuff on my elven fighter but I do like the thought of boosting my falcion damage.
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scraap Ex Member	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #101 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:08am	Print Post
	majmalphunktion wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 8:44am: Change is slow...but yeah I won this one. Its 4 days out of alpha and in front of you. New bug tool too! Use it to send me nasty messages...or use it for constructive criticism on the enhancements. Or just be pissed off and wait to complain about it when we release it. Survey links for the banned folks: general class general race arty cleric fighter ranger For myself, it's less the building blocks and more the arrangement. Suppose that'll end up going under general once I've looked at the system for enough time to have multiple perspectives on it.


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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9519 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #102 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:12am	Print Post
	Cripey wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:01am: The development cycle historically on Lama has usually been player feedback is for the most part not taken into consideration on launch to live. Or what you see is what you get for the most part. Which is why we see such an outcry over whats there now. Sure the� fanbois are all ITS ALPHA OMG we'll have to wait and see if that process is actually different than the norm. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice fuck you. I thought your saying was, "Fuck you, fool me once fuck you, fool me twice fuck you, fuck you."

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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #103 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:17am	Print Post
	majmalphunktion wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 8:44am: Change is slow...but yeah I won this one. Its 4 days out of alpha and in front of you. New bug tool too! Use it to send me nasty messages...or use it for constructive criticism on the enhancements. Or just be pissed off and wait to complain about it when we release it. These actions are not exclusive.� I intend to send you dick jokes and constructive criticism, and then be pissed off when the input is ignored and you release whatever you want because you're the experts. Regarding the new bug reporting tool - if the tool does not provide player feedback that submissions have been reviewed, that the reported bug is a novel issue or considered extant, and some ability for the submitter to check back on the bugs progress through the system, then from the player's chair it's really not any different from the old tool. Bigjunk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 9:26am: +Varg yesterday might as well have been a bot in that "meet and greet" session with him just parroting talking points then entire time.� We actually got more info out of� when this happened with MoTU. +Varg made several things were made very clear in the "Q&A".� There was a LOT of noise in the Q&A, but Vargouille's contribution represents about 9.055% of the lines of text.� If you separate out only what he said, there's some meaningful information. - Vargouille considers what we see in the Preview regarding class enhancement costs and the consequences of these costs to be a balanced and well thought out product. - The enhancement point cost are intentionally high and the tree power is intentionally backloaded. - There is an intentional effort to make Pure Class Builds attractive. - The change to Core Enhancements (Innate Abilities) is intentional - They are intended to NOT be free. - They are aware that the new costs will render existing multiclass builds obsolete. Quote: Vargouille: "We are trying to make sure that both pure class builds are rewarded as well as multiclass builds.� If it's obvious that no one will ever multiclass again, we've clearly done the wrong thing.� It it's obvious that most pure class builds are inferior, we've also done the wrong thing." The preview shows a direction that radically devalues multiclassing in general and splash builds in particular. Custom character creation felt like a core competency - this change does not enhance it.

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #104 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:35am	Print Post
	Cripey wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:03am: Good point, I found your guild forums, great site design. http://www.hellokittyonline.com/ Don't knock it, they have a better enhancement system than DDO and fewer bugs.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #105 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:36am	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:17am: +Varg made several things were made very clear in the "Q&A".� There was a LOT of noise in the Q&A, but Vargouille's contribution represents about 9.055% of the lines of text.� If you separate out only what he said, there's some meaningful information. - Vargouille considers what we see in the Preview regarding class enhancement costs and the consequences of these costs to be a balanced and well thought out product. - The enhancement point cost are intentionally high and the tree power is intentionally backloaded. - There is an intentional effort to make Pure Class Builds attractive. - The change to Core Enhancements (Innate Abilities) is intentional - They are intended to NOT be free. - They are aware that the new costs will render existing multiclass builds obsolete. The preview shows a direction that radically devalues multiclassing in general and splash builds in particular. Custom character creation felt like a core competency - this change does not enhance it. And this is bullshit, purely dumbing down the game for the casual tards.


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Luxgolg Shroud Slacker Offline So many bugs Posts: 1221 Location: Over there Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #106 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:49am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:36am: And this is bullshit, purely dumbing down the game for the casual tards. Precisely. I guess a better preview site, instead of lamma, could be LOTRO or WOW now. I'll need to check NWO out also to see where DDO is headed

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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #107 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:58am	Print Post
	Cripey wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:01am: The development cycle historically on Lama has usually been player feedback is for the most part not taken into consideration on launch to live. That's not entirely true... It usually goes like this: 1) Release a Bunch of Stuff 2) Negative Feedback 3) Release one truly awful colossal turd of a change which distracts the whole community (I.E.Death Magic Change for MOTU) 4) Community freaks 5) Roll back or modify this to be satisfactory 6) Fanbois - "Yeah, Turbine Listens" 7) Slide all the other shit through while the usual suspects sucking each other dicks
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	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #108 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:03pm	Print Post
	majmalphunktion wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 8:44am: Change is slow...but yeah I won this one. Its 4 days out of alpha and in front of you. New bug tool too! Use it to send me nasty messages...or use it for constructive criticism on the enhancements. Or just be pissed off and wait to complain about it when we release it. What kind of account repercussions will I be facing if I were to send a bug report that said "You guys are all assholes and you're fucking everything up. I hope your genitals get mangled in an escalator accident."? Or are bug reports no longer tied to accounts, since even people who have been banned from the forums can (allegedly) enter bug reports now? Of course saying that means that you'll discount my feedback, even if it's good, because I think you're fucking it all up. Also, you guys really fucked Kensai. From the look of things you don't want fighters to be able to be DPS, you want them to be tanks. If feels like you don't want anyone who ranges to be a kensai. Doublestrike can kiss my ass. Doesn't do my bow-focused kensai AA any goddamned good. And even the tank option look fucking awful but since I don't play a Stalwart, I will refrain from commenting on how shitty it looks. In addition, staggering the release of the class trees is fucking asinine. Guess what? Many people don't play pure classes. Lots of builds have monk splashes. Or rogue splashes. Or arti splashes. Why do I have to wait 3 weeks to see the enhancements for one character? If you think you'll get more focused feedback by limiting what people can mess with, you're wrong. Everyone has that 'pet' character that they are most passionate about. Be it a 12/6/2 fighter/ranger/monk (in my case) or a 16/2/2 arti/pally/monk (in the juggernaut's case) or the 10/8/2 cleric/bard/rogue (I don't know, I'm sure someone has one for some reason) that works for them. Making it so they can't see the changes to their favorite character means that you'll get shittier feedback from people who maybe don't play fighters. Or clerics. Or whatever the weekly release is.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #109 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:05pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:58am: That's not entirely true... It usually goes like this: 1) Release a Bunch of Stuff 2) Negative Feedback 3) Release one truly awful colossal turd of a change which distracts the whole community (I.E.Death Magic Change for MOTU) 4) Community freaks 5) Roll back or modify this to be satisfactory 6) Fanbois - "Yeah, Turbine Listens" 7) Slide all the other shit through while the usual suspects sucking each other dicks 8) Delete all the threads pointing this out to the players too stupid to realize this on their own. I'm wondering what the colossal turd will be . . . so far is just a bunch of small dumb shit and it's actually savable if Turbine has the will to do so. But based on every other time this conversation has happened none of us can be blamed for being cynical.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #110 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:03pm: Also, you guys really fucked Kensai. From the look of things you don't want fighters to be able to be DPS, you want them to be tanks. If feels like you don't want anyone who ranges to be a kensai. Doublestrike can kiss my ass. Doesn't do my bow-focused kensai AA any goddamned good. And even the tank option look fucking awful but since I don't play a Stalwart, I will refrain from commenting on how shitty it looks. As someone who has played various flavors of stalwart for 3.5 years, the stalwart changes are fucking awful.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #111 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:09pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:03pm: What kind of account repercussions will I be facing if I were to send a bug report that said "You guys are all assholes and you're fucking everything up. I hope your genitals get mangled in an escalator accident."? Or are bug reports no longer tied to accounts, since even people who have been banned from the forums can (allegedly) enter bug reports now? Of course saying that means that you'll discount my feedback, even if it's good, because I think you're fucking it all up. Also, you guys really fucked Kensai. From the look of things you don't want fighters to be able to be DPS, you want them to be tanks. If feels like you don't want anyone who ranges to be a kensai. Doublestrike can kiss my ass. Doesn't do my bow-focused kensai AA any goddamned good. And even the tank option look fucking awful but since I don't play a Stalwart, I will refrain from commenting on how shitty it looks. In addition, staggering the release of the class trees is fucking asinine. Guess what? Many people don't play pure classes. Lots of builds have monk splashes. Or rogue splashes. Or arti splashes. Why do I have to wait 3 weeks to see the enhancements for one character? If you think you'll get more focused feedback by limiting what people can mess with, you're wrong. Everyone has that 'pet' character that they are most passionate about. Be it a 12/6/2 fighter/ranger/monk (in my case) or a 16/2/2 arti/pally/monk (in the juggernaut's case) or the 10/8/2 cleric/bard/rogue (I don't know, I'm sure someone has one for some reason) that works for them. Making it so they can't see the changes to their favorite character means that you'll get shittier feedback from people who maybe don't play fighters. Or clerics.� Or whatever the weekly release is. http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=... banned people can access this (I speak from experience). Post from a troll account if you wish. Majormal's one of the good ones and I really think he wants good actionable feedback. I just don't believe the people actually in power do.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #112 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:10pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm: As someone who has played various flavors of stalwart for 3.5 years, the stalwart changes are fucking awful. Not a fan myself. That "must have a shield" bullshit to be in stance is especially stupid.


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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #113 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:12pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm: As someone who has played various flavors of stalwart for 3.5 years, the stalwart changes are fucking awful. I've been splashing stalwart rather than kensei on a lot of my leveling builds for fighter past lives. I just feel like I get more out of stalwart I than kensei I given my play style when I'm doing the TR race. I definitely don't like the changes there at all either...luckily I should have time before they go live to get out of those fighter past lives for good. One thing I think we may see going by the wayside is all of those outstanding TR platforms people have been using that are 8/6/6 and set up to use certain base abilities to level while mixing in the other class at the tail end. But honestly we're too early to answer that - we'll have to wait until we get the entire picture in 3 weeks.

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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #114 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:36am: And this is bullshit, purely dumbing down the game for the casual tards. I think this is an oversimplification of what is happening.� The original developers set out to build a solid Dungeons and Dragons MMO.� The problem is that D & D is a party based game and therefore classes are inherently unbalanced.� The expectation is that the party will be balanced not the individual and some classes that may not excel in combat will contribute more in skills based encounters.� At some point there was a shift from being a great DnD game to being a balanced MMO that supports solo/encourages solo play.� Balance is hard to achieve when there are thousand of options and multiclassing makes it worse.� With the lack of creativity in design over the last few years, the way content has been made more difficult is to add HP and increase MoB DPS.� A system that funnels you away from Multiclassing and essentially forces each class up one or two trees is easier to balance so everyone is equal. This game is a victim of poor choices made in the past.
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	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9519 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #115 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:14pm: I think this is an oversimplification of what is happening.� The original developers set out to build a solid Dungeons and Dragons MMO.� The problem is that D & D is a party based game and therefore classes are inherently unbalanced.� The expectation is that the party will be balanced not the individual and some classes that may not excel in combat will contribute more in skills based encounters.� At some point there was a shift from being a great DnD game to being a balanced MMO that supports solo/encourages solo play.� Balance is hard to achieve when there are thousand of options and multiclassing makes it worse.� With the lack of creativity in design over the last few years, the way content has been made more difficult is to add HP and increase MoB DPS.� A system that funnels you away from Multiclassing and essentially forces each class up one or two trees is easier to balance so everyone is equal. Do even play anymore?

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #116 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	Gunga wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:15pm: Do even play anymore? I play with your mom does that count.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9519 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #117 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:18pm: I play with your mom does that count. Yes. Carry on.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #118 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:05pm: 8) Delete all the threads pointing this out to the players too stupid to realize this on their own. I'm wondering what the colossal turd will be . . . so far is just a bunch of small dumb shit and it's actually savable if Turbine has the will to do so.� But based on every other time this conversation has happened none of us can be blamed for being cynical.� You guys spelled it wrong - it's "Tuhrd"


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #119 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	I have to say, props to MajMal for not completely shutting down under the deluge of negative sentiment - we'll see how long he can last. Here's to hoping devs do actually listen and most of the restrictions do get taken out.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #121 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:09pm: I have to say, props to MajMal for not completely shutting down under the deluge of negative sentiment - we'll see how long he can last. Here's to hoping devs do actually listen and most of the restrictions do get taken out. I was under the impression that MajMal was QA, not the guy planning and executing these changes. So he already knows how people feel about the "QA" process in place at Turbine. Most of this ire is directed at the designers and developers of this tree bullshit, not the poor schmuck stuck trying to filter out all the bugs and fucked-with-the-wrong-end-of-a-rake abilities they are planning to put in. I think. I could be 100% wrong on that.


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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #122 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:09pm: I have to say, props to MajMal for not completely shutting down under the deluge of negative sentiment - we'll see how long he can last. Here's to hoping devs do actually listen and most of the restrictions do get taken out. We could test his patience and make him a verb? EDIT: though then he'd have to wear a scarf.
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Luxgolg Shroud Slacker Offline So many bugs Posts: 1221 Location: Over there Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #123 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:35pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:32pm: I was under the impression that MajMal was QA, not the guy planning and executing these changes. So he already knows how people feel about the "QA" process in place at Turbine. Most of this ire is directed at the designers and developers of this tree bullshit, not the poor schmuck stuck trying to filter out all the bugs and fucked-with-the-wrong-end-of-a-rake abilities they are planning to put in. I think. I could be 100% wrong on that. Also looking at the community relations part of it, it seems the people who have the least amount of input to the game are the ones the players get to deal with. With exception to a few I can count on 1 hand

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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #124 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:12pm	Print Post
	MajMal'd (v) To try and make the situation better by being a genuine person in a sea of corporate suits when the developers again FoS'd the game. Usage: Man, this latest release was a disaster...thank god Bob MajMal'd everyone or we'd have a shitstorm on our hands.

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