I still like playing the game.

Grace wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 4:37pm:


Me too.  And I do see some changes for the better.

The enhancement pass is a total pile of wank.  The "new build options" for classes that don't currently have them largely consist of splitting absolutely essential abilities into two different trees and requiring you to blow half your action points on crap to get to them.

I'm happy to agree that the current system is limiting - largely because it's unfinished - and, like Mem, I had been looking forward to the enhancement pass until I actually saw it.  But unless they remove the craptastic points-spent-in-tree gating mechanic (or do what they should have done to start with and have ONE tree per class with the dross taken out and the prestiges linked to prerequisites), the new system will be just as bad or worse. 

And everything AF said is correct.  Taking away spellpower and then giving you the opportunity to get some of it back by investing in a dump stat is bullshit.

rest wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 3:45pm:


Most of the people in the events were gushing about this stuff.  Most of those people didn't understand the game mechanics enough to understand what was wrong.

I think MOST of it's fine but there's a few things that really need some changes.   The system itself is fine, but the devil in some of the details is particularly evil.

Grace wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 4:37pm:


This...  Which is what counts for me.

My first thought on the new producer was

"meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

majmalphunktion wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 3:43pm:


For Cleric, FVS : just kill the Protection tree, put in a real melee tree ( with stuff that helps hitting and killing undeads, for example ) in it's place for Clerics. ( and if you do it right you can reuse it for Paladin. Put the Healing tree for FvS ( sans Radiant Servant Aura )
And you'll get everybody happy.

For Sorcerors ( and Divine ) scrap the Spellcraft skill, that's partially why they all whine ( because sorcs and divine are shafted, Int being a dump stat they will have to waste at least 4 build points to get 1 more point to buy the skill... or 6 points for the divines ( to get 2 skill points for both spellcraft and heal ).

Well just scrap the idea of spell power enhancement through skill, or rework it considering that skill points is usually is really really scarce ressource

And don't tell me what Vargouille told us Saturday, he managed to get everybody angry with just that phrase on the subject : Tough Choices, I love tough choices...

It's a choice between being a second rank character without the skill and being a gimped character with the skill... It's a no brainer. Nobody is going to waste between 4 and 6 build points to have the skills... and everybody is going to gripe and whine because they are shafted compared to the wizards that have Int as primary stat and have skill points to waste.

You can go look at Flavilandile stats, I posted them when I dissected the Cleric Enhancement
effect on her... Where do I find 6 Build points to get her to 14 INT so that I can buy both Spellcraft and Heal ? ( and no TR IS NOT an option, I don't want to TR my characters )
In CON ? When I get one shot in raids ?
In STR ? When I can't hit the broadside of a barn at end game, but I could at low level ?
in CHA ? When it barely gives me enough oumph that I can actually turn stuff in EH FoT with all the enhancements and items I could find on the subject ?
In DEX ? When it's already dumped ?
Obviously I won't touch WIS, as it's critical for a Cleric.

Find a way to remove as many clickies as possible, there's just too many... no more than 2/3 per tree should be your rule.

Last change the Points Spent Per Tree to a Points Spent Overall, ( and you can raise back the values to what they were originally, so that the top tier is at 40 points Spent Overall )

Side Note :
It is well known that the Forum Crawlers are about 5% of the players.
It is also well known that the L-Space crowd is less than 5% of the Forum Crawlers.
Is that sample representative of the whole ?
Right now a lot of people are worried because they hear and see bits here and there. Some of them are worried enough that they have stopped playing and are exploring NWO, because between the Enhancement Crash and the Epic TR Fail they think it's going to end up in NGE big time.

I also continue to enjoy the game and like quite a few things I'm seeing in the enhancement pass. It's going to be a lot of adjustment but I think long-term we'll see more different types of builds than we see now (especially if you guys add on more things now that, as you've said, it will be easier to do so).

That said, I do agree with a few of the points Munkenmo made earlier...others I don't have enough experience with to comment on:

Munkenmo wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 3:51pm:


Things that are currently the equivalent to a T1 ability in general shouldn't be more difficult to access. Sprint boosts, action boosts, W&S mastery, etc.

Monks really are designed to use unarmed. Quivering palm, stunning blow, touch of death, etc...it's all unarmed or go home. Having so much that focuses on weapons and not much on unarmed in their trees seems odd.

And Stalwarts desperately need their stances for viability. Please don't force sword-and-board on them. I actually like splashing fighter for feats in the current system but I never really liked kensei's short-term boosts. Even though it's not the 'better' of the two PrE's I often went Stalwart. In the new system? No way...they need sword-and-board to be in stance and I have no interest in sword-and-board full-time.

Well, I like the new Enhancement System as it applies to Melees.

I have not tried it on my Arty or FvS yet though.

Flav wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 5:57pm:


No, no, no.  The 'tough choice' is; "Do I play a wizard, or something sub-optimal that I actually like?"

Look on the bright side.  They are trashing DC casting too, to even things up.  It's all good...

Memnir wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 4:34pm:



I am highly amused as I have watched over the last few years of how you have gone from fanboy (not fanboi note) to sounding exactly like me. If only I could log onto the forums on a couple accounts. If only to show the slide show of posts from Memnir the great as he transgressed to the darkside.

umeannothing wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:45pm:

While I love me a pile-on as much as the next guy, who was producing DDO from 2006 - 2009? Sands, Gianthold, Vale, Amrath? Who produced the original enhancement system? Fernado and Kate get a lot of grief, but in all fairness deserve a lot of credit.

Grace wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:01pm:


Are you an epileptic?