spathic wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 7:28am:


I may not want to go above 6 bard. 12+ has diminishing returns unless I want the Bard icon/PL.

With 6 bard that qualifies me for the core tier 3 swashbuckling stance, and tier 5 abilities. Only thing I get at 12+ bard is spells, enchant bonuses, Slippery Mind, and Evasion feats. Which don't beat out 2 rogue splash and all it's enhancment trees.



Balizarde +9, 13-20 crit range including imp. critical piercing, x3 multiplier. 11-20 crits in Divine Crusader. +61 Minimum damage bonus if str mod equals 20 and full Single Weapon Fighting line

First three cores.

+1 dodge, +1 enchant bonus, +2 dmg, +2% doublestrike, crit range and multiplier increase, and uncanny dodge.

rest of tree.

tier 1; dodge +3

tier 2; Deflect Arrows every 2 seconds (better than monk feat which is every 6 seconds only). Doublestrike 30% action boost.

tier 3; +5 damage at lv 25 if empty off hand, and also 7% doublestrike with it. 6d6 scaling by spellpower sonic damage on crits.

tier 4: imp. destruction on crit

tier 5; +5 Damage while the Precision feat is active. When you damage an enemy but do not critically hit, you gain a stacking +1 Insight Bonus to Critical Threat Range until you successfully critically hit.

Edit; •5 AP, class level 3: Swashbuckling: Defensive Stance: May not want to go above 3 bard since it still gets crit range bonus at core 2.  Does Kensai Keen Edge stack with Swashbuckler crit range? That would bring Balizarde to 11-20 in any ED, and 9-20 in Divine Crusader?

NaturalHazard wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:


Not convinced on paper that anything over 3 bard levels is better for swashbuckling. If you wanted for flavor. Higher dps can be achieved by going 2wf or swf with a bastard sword. Without having to take bard levels.  I suppose if you wanted to wear the hat and a cape, you roll 6 ftr, 3 bard, 11 rogue. Swash until youre blue in the face.

NaturalHazard wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:


They made the SWF and THF feats exclusive last lamannia update. You can't use both anymore.

Shadehater wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 11:54pm:


Interesting idea. I wonder how 20% glancing blow damage on 2/4 attacks compares to other weapons with better crit profiles.

Rubbinns wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 2:58am:

I think Turbine's method of balancing death effects is to make all endgame enemies undead, constructs, and/or red/purple named.

Shuy wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:


I need to see this.
Turbine is fucking crazy, 12 reflex, no epic ability gives that much, most it gives is half that.

So I know that SWF and THF are mutually exclusive. What about when you're using unbridled fury? It grants the THF feats. If it stacks, for those 30s your DPS is fucking amazing.

Or it'll break the tree and it'll stay broken for years.

I want to create a dwarf, SWF with a buckler and DW axe. This will be purely for enjoyment. Yes, I will finally create a character more for the fun of the idea then the effectiveness.





I am getting soft.

avast! yee meta munching boyos!

Have some fecking fun!!!  (swings off on handy rope)