Wow Single Weapon Fighting feats are fucking garbage.

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Single Weapon Fighting
While Single-Weapon Fighting, your weapon die gains an additional +2 sides.

Single Weapon Fighting: Requires fighting with a single one-handed melee weapon, and wielding only an orb, runearm, or nothing in your offhand.

For instance, a 1d8 weapon instead deals 1d10 damage. This only functions for weapons with a single base weapon die (Example: This wouldn't function for weapons that do 2d4 base damage.)

Feat Requirement: 2 ranks of Balance


Improved Single Weapon Fighting
Your bonus for Single Weapon Fighting increases to +4 sides.

For instance, a 1d8 weapon instead deals 1d12 damage. This only functions for weapons with a single base weapon die (aka: This wouldn't function for weapons that do 2d4 base damage.)

Feat Requirement: 4 ranks of Balance, Base Attack Bonus +6


Greater Single Weapon Fighting
Your bonus for Improved Single Weapon Fighting increases to +6 sides.

For instance, a 1d8 weapon instead deals 1d14 damage. This only functions for weapons with a single base weapon die (aka: This wouldn't function for weapons that do 2d4 base damage.)

Feat Requirement: 7 ranks of Balance, Base Attack Bonus +11

I like them.

Those feats will help to make sure that no one accidentally thinks that single weapon fighting is good.  I was worried that they might make them less shitty and thereby trick people into taking the feat chain instead of TWF or THF.

One way that they could be useful is if there is an exploit that allows you to get that benefit while also getting the benefit from TWF or THF.  I'm hoping that doesn't happen, though.

Now I just need to wait for someone to take me seriously and my day will be complete.

I am still waiting more about the mayonaise.

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Much better.  Still not as good as TWF or THF, but at least good enough to make me want to run the numbers and actually try to figure out how much better TWF/THF is than this instead of making me want to simply pretend it doesn't exist like the "die steps" feats.

It's worth noting that if they go the +30% attack speed/+ ability bonus route, whatever doublestrike you can muster is worth about +30% over what a TWF or THF gets from doublestrike since you would attack at a faster rate.

So if you twist from Unyielding Sentinel and grab the two shield mastery feats, the +15% doublestrike is more like +20% doublestrike, the +9% from epic past lives is more like +12%, the +6 or +8% you would get from an Epic Swashbuckler shield or Skirmishers Bracers is more like +8 or +10% and so on. Combine that with the better crit profile and ability bonus, and I think SWF becomes a legit option.

The next step then becomes making the Swashbuckler core and upper tier abilities strong enough to encourage doing anything more than a 3 Bard splash.

Single Weapon Fighting: Requires fighting with a single one-handed melee weapon, and wielding only an orb, runearm, or nothing in your offhand.

The exception is that a bard can qualify for them while using a buckler.

If it gives the extra doublestrike, it doesn't matter too much. The main issue is that it requires a light weapon, so no SWF, THF stacking with bastard swords or dwarven axes.

Oh come on...
We all know here that SWF sucks and that the only way they could have made it not sucking was by overpowering it so much that it became the fighting style of choice...

Now I still don't understand why they are dead set on Swashbuckler to be a SWF PRE when lots of swashbuckling happens with a rapier and dagger or a cutlass and dagger. ( or well a long weapon and a small one )
Swashbuckling with a buckler is something quite rare. actually exceptional, and usually it's a I'm in a dire straight, I need a shield fast *grab chair* kind of shield.