SayWhatAgain wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 3:16am:


They do if you are unarmed, if using a weapon then whirlwind only strikes once, great cleave can still doublestrike (just not as often), and supreme cleave does not doublestrike at all as well.

Ive been trying to figure out why the build I tested got an extra crit range when I barb raged though, its really bothering me, since I was critting 16-20 in tree form.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 11:37am:


EDIT: Sorry, whirlwind will only strike once for me when im uncentered and using a weapon, when im unarmed and uncentered then it will strike multiple times (just not the 4 times like monk whirlwind)

Brac wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 2:25am:


This is correct, was messing around last night and was able to pinpoint that supreme cleave is using the base weapon as damage with woad form for the number of die rolled.  I've been trying to figure out a good base weapon and so far I've settled on Twinblade.

Now it may not seem as nice having to use this, however, supreme cleave is also using the crit profile and modifier for the damage as well.  So, it would be best to find a weapon with very good base damage and critical.  So Twinblade when you supreme cleave with barb will be 20(2d8) 15-20/x2 to 70(2d8) 15-20/x2 depending on level of woad (also x4 on 19-20).

I'm still trying to find a better replacement over Twinblade.

Lelouch wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:


Leaning towards forcing wizard on a tree build with monk levels so initially thinking human 8wiz/6mnk/6ftr, centered with robes and shortswords.

I'll have boatload of feats to work with so I can fit in whirlwind, full 2wf and Cleave lines.

Why be so subpar? Cause I'd like to try being Treebeard in Epics and if I really don't like it I can TR out of  it quick and at least I got a wiz PL out of it. Plus I have gear that is more for a monk than an armoured toon.

Any thoughts or improvements on my split above?

Lelouch wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:


Yah, I hear you on the saves. I'll look at the split with palie to see what could fit.

Thanks!

Lelouch wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 1:46pm:


Pretty much, I wouldn't use barb for an end game tree build.  I am trying a lot things using iconics and treeing from 20-28, then spinning around for a different past life.  For my purposes it is fine, but the builds are sub-optimal.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 30^th, 2015 at 10:21pm:


Both are also two handed weapons.  That would mean no offhand attack from TWF.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 30^th, 2015 at 10:21pm:


Yea, tough to contemplate which is best right now, on one hand the greataxe is nice for strength and half on the cleave attacks as well as double power attack, but using a 1 hander allows you to get much higher prr with 10 more melee power and 15% doublestrike. Im thinking the greataxe will work out better, but ill have to play around with it.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 12:30am:


11 barb 6 fighter 3 wizard

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 12:59am:


Yep

Teth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 12:29am:


I haven't done a tree yet, but according to your math, eAGA/Skybraker would add 105 base damage for supreme cleave before str and a half or power attack are taken into account.

There’s a guy claiming that he did this build with 12 Fighter / 5 Cleric / 3 Paladin and Whirling Steel Strike… while armored.  Munk!  How does that work?!?!?

Edit: I’m sure the “Whirling Steel Strike” bit is B.S.  But could he be referring to “One with the blade” and somehow managed to be centered?

Munkenmo wrote on Feb 7^th, 2015 at 6:55am:


Our condolences to you bro.