MisterHank wrote on Apr 1
st, 2015 at 5:03pm:
GHAAA! For the love of god! I cant take it anymore! Why is everybody just buying it that pure monk is even remotely decent for a shuriken build?! And wow: some ppl actually think its the best... Depressing to put it mildly I say. Pure monk is by far not the best shuri build, I will not post a good shuri build here and now, I will just bash this so called 'build' so hard that it will be butthurt for ages to come.
First of all: how is a pure anything a 'build', its pure! Its like stacking 20 bricks on top of eachother and go: 'check out my design, i got architectural talent up the ass yo!' Also, i want you to take comfort in the fact that my nerdrage is not your fault, its like 95% retraceable to a certain wise-ass, OP of a pure monk shuri 'build', and the corresponding uninspired build, of which the posts go on and on and on, on the official DDO forum. Ive had multiple lost souls asking me for Deconstructor augments (dafuq?!) just because appearantly it was in that thread, how misguided, they are like retarded sheep under guidance of a herder with reversed logic.
Here my attempts to critize the build in a grounded manner:
1.) First of all, whats ur tier 5 enhancements on le pure monk....? -2 str on hit? Do u have any idea of the minimal amounts of fucks given by a mob, when u damage its str? I sure dont, cuz i wasnt retarded enough to consider taking ninja spy tier 5's on a thrower, or any build for that matter. Matter of fact, the exact amount of fucks given by a mob over 10 str damage when its being reduced to a bloody pulp in at most 3 seconds later, is reduced by 50% on EE's. I hope u like nothing cuz the number is pretty darn close to that. Tier 5's are among the potentially strongest enhancements and shouldnt be lame. Sure it will become helpless after x amount of hits but it will die first.
2.) Common motivation i see as to why pure and why is this build that 'good', is the capstone. Sure, its not bad, but allow me to underplay the enhancement. +4 threat = +20% crit chance, which more or less equals +20% physical damage from critting. Is it Example: 20% of (80 phys dmg/star x 70 dex): 80 × 2.4 × 0.2 = 38.4 dmg average per throw. Yes, seeker will make it more but w/e. Then take an alternative, for example Notharhar's splits, which add 10 dex (shadow dodge & tensors). This makes 85 × 2.6 = 221 which is 15% more then 192... BUT MR.HANK THATS LESS THAN 20%!? Yes, dear nublet but it also comes with procs, sneak dmg, cc, and is not susceptible by fortification. On TF procs are 10-60 + w/e, point made, its more. Besides, arent ya using MF at cap? All forms of dps fade into pointlessness compared to MF, 10 dex -> +20% doubleshot... tensors adds throw rate...
3-9.) Wiz gives blur, displacement, gust of wind, knock (viable? Nfi). No need to drag around stacks of scrolls of shield spell, invis, ff, maybe merfolks, or u can tumble around like a freaking stoat, fascinating all but purple nameds. Oh! And grease, higher dc, longer duration. Always fun!
Also, 2 spellcasting feats, (quicken?!?! And uhm... -.- extend? Errr, never played a wiz split personally). Rogue gives a ton of sneak damage, 5d6. And if u for some reason would want to trap, u can trap! Also, rogue gives evasion! A must for any monk. Right, u lose improved evasion but can u get higher reflexes? If ur not a bad u wont get hit by aoe's for shit... but you are ^.^
Abundant step... love how u can rely on it, use it 2-3 times, run out of ki, and die horribly.
Bah. In my head i had more fundaments for hatred towards the build...
Now, for ur 'build' specifically:
You are maxing wis, and put zero pts in con... oh yeah, let me guess... you are ranged dps and dont need con? Ur not telling me u can run around ee wgu, or ee necro, NOT get cc'd and get raped to death sideways... there is a point when you will die, so ffs turn 2 wis into 6 con.
Your lvl 27 feat is dex... Really?! If u would twist epic will from magister instead of unneeded enlightment i would get it, but ur gonna want epic will or maybe if ur dumb even epic reflexes is better. Rolling 1's on will saves.... ur gonna have a bad time, m'kay.
Ur lvl 28 feat is doubleshot. If you're doing it right (yeah.... no...) then u should have 10k up and/or on CD most of the time, giving -100% DS... 'Fuck! I only got 150% doubleshot! Ima get 10% more and so spontaneously unbad myself' Elusive target.
Then twists. Damage boost isnt bad. Consider standing with stone, piercing clarity, grim precision, epic will/fortitude however.
Also, shiradi procs are like 14.5 damage per star, altogether, basicly only nerve venom makes shiradi kickass. Try mastering pin/otto's, twist em, and blitz, u can have ur targets helpless non stop if ur good, and get like 50% more dps from physical, sneak and crit damage. Idk if its better i never tried. If u stay shiradi, get tea, its good.
Phew. Im done. I hope i wasnt mean, let alone condescending. Again: not ur fault.
Have fun and good luck!
Hi welcome.
I never said this was the "best" shuriken build. I may have said something like "I'm trying to figure out what will be best after the next update."
I am not whatever guy on the DDO forums that you seem to upset with.
First of all #1: A pure build is still a build. A build is more than class choice, obviously.
1.) (First of all #2): Crippling Strike is filler. I picked it because it actually adds something (as opposed to putting those points in faster sneaking) now that epic mobs aren't mostly immune to stat damage. What else am I going to take? True, If I end up swapping out contemplation I would have enough points to take t5 in harper, but t5s aren't necessary on every build.
2.): The capstone is excellent. 2 dex, vorpal, and +4 crit range. You are vastly underestimating the physical damage, I was getting 300+ (900+) crits first number damage per attack on Lam the other day. Also, you are not taking into account that Shadow Dodge is being nerfed/bugfixed down to 3 dex, and that I can scroll Tenser's (and that Tenser's is not absolutely vital to have up 100% of the time since monk = full BAB when centered for purposes of attack animation). So Shadow Dodge is still 1 more compared to capstone, but then Harhar's build does not have enough points to get 4 dex out of Harper, so...
3-9.) Blur? pointless. Displacement? clickies. Gust of Wind? Don't run through the cloud spells. Knock? lol. Scrolling is easy on a build with quickdraw, and I hate trapping. Also, I built for 2 passive ki regen, so I'll be able to abundant step/shadow fade when I need to.
More: 42 Wis is more important than HP.
Saves shouldn't be an issue.
You have a valid point about the doubleshot feat, but it's not that bad. Even if I hit 10k stars every 60 secs, it still averages to a full time +2.5% doubleshot. In practice you don't hit 10k stars every 60 seconds most of the time.
I plan on trying out different ED's and twists when u25 goes live. I'll probably skip on Tea though. It only adds DPS very rarely.
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