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EVC Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 33 Joined: Jan 7^th, 2015	Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Sep 9^th, 2015 at 4:58pm	Print Post
	A company employing crossover for its products is nothing new.� However, users of one product would do well to pay attention to issues (failings) in another: http://massivelyop.com/2015/09/09/asherons-call-still-offline-after-two-weeks/ Here is the AC Forum post: https://www.asheronscall.com/en/forums/showthread.php?64864-Asheron-s-Call-maint... In above thread, I find it interesting when Severlin announcements transition to Cordovan updates, (translation: more delays.) It must be rather frustrating for the 2 new mobile teams, when the 3 old horses require System Operations teams time.� That said, it should surprise no one, when everything...� EVERYTHING takes longer than expected.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #1 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm	Print Post
	Well, hopefully Turbine learns a thing or two from the AC disaster so the DDO/LotRO move won't be quite as bad. One week down instead of two weeks down maybe?

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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #2 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm: Well, hopefully Turbine learns a thing or two from the AC disaster so the DDO/LotRO move won't be quite as bad. I don't recall any examples of Turbine learning from their mistakes or from the mistakes of anyone else.

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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no. DQ Assaulter Offline Just no. Posts: 454 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #3 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:19pm: I don't recall any examples of Turbine learning from their mistakes or from the mistakes of anyone else. Because there are none...


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #4 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:19pm: I don't recall any examples of Turbine learning from their mistakes or from the mistakes of anyone else. Because to learn from your mistakes, you must first admit that you make them ...�

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #5 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	Two weeks isn't just poor performance, it's bad from a player retention point of view. Two weeks is a good proxy for how long it takes for a game's psychological hooks to fade. Hard core players will always migrate back, but those less addicted will have found that they have lost track of specific tasks and objectives, creating a mental barrier to entry. In such an extended break, they likely have sort for and found an alternative form of entertainment. From an MMO perspective, two weeks could be the death knell for a large proportion of their player base, especially in such an old game. The only thing mitigating this will be the invested time of long term players who are reluctant to let it go, but everyone has a threshold to move on. Let's see how much longer Sev and the team can fubar this.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #6 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:46pm: Because to learn from your mistakes, you must first admit to yourself that you make them ...� ftfy

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EVC Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 33 Joined: Jan 7^th, 2015	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #7 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 6:16pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm: Well, hopefully Turbine learns a thing or two from the AC disaster so the DDO/LotRO move won't be quite as bad. One week down instead of two weeks down maybe? If nothing else, it seems clearer now why what should have already transpired, has yet to take place.


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #8 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 6:02pm: Two weeks isn't just poor performance, it's bad from a player retention point of view. Two weeks is a good proxy for how long it takes for a game's psychological hooks to fade. Hard core players will always migrate back, but those less addicted will have found that they have lost track of specific tasks and objectives, creating a mental barrier to entry.� In such an extended break, they likely have sort for and found an alternative form of entertainment. From an MMO perspective, two weeks could be the death knell for a large proportion of their player base, especially in such an old game.� The only thing mitigating this will be the invested time of long term players who are reluctant to let it go, but everyone has a threshold to move on. Let's see how much longer Sev and the team can fubar this. [sarcasm]You must be wrong, if that were the case, then the widespread 2 week bans handed out for relatively minor and widespread duping, with the added barrier to return of inventory wipe, would have caused a huge decline in the DDO population.[/sarcasm] Yeah, it amazes me how they think they can use the mind game "player management techniques" when they can't even get basic gamer psychology down. Their level of arrogance would be remarkable even for a competent company, for a company as incompetent as Turbine, it's downright shocking.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #9 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 6:37pm	Print Post
	Holy shit. This is insane, the only thing I find more shocking is how under-reported it is in the industry media. Talk about proof of collusion between publishers and the gamer press, what a pack of twats. Poor AC players.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #10 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	Grand wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 6:37pm: This is insane, the only thing I find more shocking is how under-reported it is in the industry media This because twitter, reddit and twitch/youtube gaming killed the publisher to gamer press circle jerk. You get better, honest, and in depth feedback from your friends, or people they follow, or the comments section on reddit and lastly the coverage on twitch/youtube gaming. What's left are the dinosaurs still trying to hold on to the casuals and the less informed.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #11 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 8:27pm	Print Post
	a two week mandatory break is just what I need to kick my DDO habit.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #12 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	Grand wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 6:37pm: Holy shit. This is insane, the only thing I find more shocking is how under-reported it is in the industry media. I think it's more a matter of economics. It's a game that slipped into maint mode from a publisher that just closed their only new offering and has driven their other 2 remaining properties into the ground more than a year ago. Who gives a crap about A.C. in Industry Media? It's not collusion, it's recognizing that it's not going to draw more than a few hundred page views.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #13 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	Severlin, Severlin, speak so slightly Severlin, down on your bended knee Taste the whip, in love not given lightly Taste the whip, now plead for me

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #14 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 8:13pm: This because twitter, reddit and twitch/youtube gaming killed the publisher to gamer press circle jerk. You get better, honest, and in depth feedback from your friends, or people they follow, or the comments section on reddit and lastly the coverage on twitch/youtube gaming. What's left are the dinosaurs still trying to hold on to the casuals and the less informed. Meursault wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 8:33pm: I think it's more a matter of economics. It's a game that slipped into maint mode from a publisher that just closed their only new offering and has driven their other 2 remaining properties into the ground more than a year ago. Who gives a crap about A.C. in Industry Media? It's not collusion, it's recognizing that it's not going to draw more than a few hundred page views. When you put it that way it's hard for me find any reason to disagree. Ya clever little bastards.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #15 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 9:31pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 8:13pm: This because twitter, reddit and twitch/youtube gaming killed the publisher to gamer press circle jerk. You get better, honest, and in depth feedback from your friends, or people they follow, or the comments section on reddit and lastly the coverage on twitch/youtube gaming. What's left are the dinosaurs still trying to hold on to the casuals and the less informed. AKA Yelp, AKA Reddit, AKA Twitter, AKA Angies List, AKA Amazon Reviews, etc. Games are no different.


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Barkabout Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1032 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2013	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #16 - Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:39pm	Print Post



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totally DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 457 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #17 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 5:13am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 8:13pm: What's left are the dinosaurs still trying to hold on to the casuals and the less informed. There's still a few pockets of decent gaming journalism around. But yeah, the traditional gaming press' appeal as a marketing tool is waning.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9961 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #18 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 2:33am	Print Post
	Partially awake, I can see at least 10 ways they could have fucked up the move... ( and that's before my morning coffee ) Now we see that it's a game/computer company that has no clue when it comes to datacenters and hardware housed in such... You don't do such a move that way... You replicate the application you want to move in the old data center on the new hardware... then you move the new hardware to the new datacenter... you test the new hardware in the new environment ( all the time you have the old thing still up and running )... once you're sure it fucking works you perform a swichover, shutting down the old stuff and redirecting traffic towards the new one. ... shees...

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #19 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:58am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 2:33am: Partially awake, I can see at least 10 ways they could have fucked up the move... ( and that's before my morning coffee ) Now we see that it's a game/computer company that has no clue when it comes to datacenters and hardware housed in such... You don't do such a move that way... You replicate the application you want to move in the old data center on the new hardware... then you move the new hardware to the new datacenter... you test the new hardware in the new environment ( all the time you have the old thing still up and running )... once you're sure it fucking works you perform a swichover, shutting down the old stuff and redirecting traffic towards the new one. ... shees...� � It doesn't even sound like it was planned. Typical fracking Turdbine ill-considered reactionary response. "OMG - they're cheating, shit down the servers. Hey let's move the datacentre too. Cool, what a great idea. Stick the machines in Davo's ute, drive across town, plug 'em in and we're golden! Back to PacMan LARP for the rest of the day...... " And that's how it all started.

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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #20 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 9:51am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 2:33am: test This is the step that was skipped. "Deploy first, then later discuss a possible fix" is the Turbine methodology. "Testing on production hardware before going live".� Seriously, Flav?� Why would you even suggest such a thing. How could you forget that things are different for Turbine?� That they're a special case for whom these best practices hold no value and do not apply?

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9961 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Ashrons Call data center move from Turdbin Reply #21 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 9:51am: "Testing on production hardware before going live".� Seriously, Flav?� Why would you even suggest such a thing. Because even if I see how bad things can get fucked up every day I still have a tiny bit of na�vet� that makes me consider that the best is something possible, even if I always plan for the worst... Lets see if they can fuck up AC move as badly as the Codemasters -> Turbine transfer was fucked up... after all we had to wait from August 15 to almost november for our characters to be dumped on G-Land... and we had to wait several weeks before knowing where we were going to be dumped. Oh and it's not just Turbine, all the computer and all the telecom industry is moving towards that kind of behavior... Lets put the thing in production and see what happens... If it goes belly up we just shout at people to fix the resulting clusterfuck.

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