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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #150 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 4:55pm: I was wrong on the dual boosts and stand corrected.� It has been a while since I rolled a half elf.� I forgot they get access to the human boost options. No. It is 5 Foot who was wrong. Helves all have fetal alcohol syndrome. Sending them into combat is just cruel.

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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #152 - May 10^th, 2016 at 9:44am	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:25pm: No. It is 5 Foot who was wrong. Helves all have fetal alcohol syndrome. Sending them into combat is just cruel. That's why their faces look like that?�

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #153 - May 10^th, 2016 at 11:28am	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:25pm: No. It is 5 Foot who was wrong. Helves all have fetal alcohol syndrome. Sending them into combat is just cruel. Meursault wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 9:44am: That's why their faces look like that?� I'm pretty sure it's actually Down Syndrome.

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Dr_tank2vich Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Darma! Posts: 1427 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Joined: Aug 16^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #154 - May 10^th, 2016 at 11:37am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 11:28am: I'm pretty sure it's actually Down Syndrome. Are we talking helfs or devs?

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #155 - May 10^th, 2016 at 12:09pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 4:55pm: Oops.� You are correct.� I was wrong on the dual boosts and stand corrected.� It has been a while since I rolled a half elf.� I forgot they get access to the human boost options. Dual boosts aside, I still think an AA + SD based shuriken build will be noticeably behind a DWS + FotW on red-named DPS due to lacking the activated attacks from DWS and imbue damage not scaling with Adrenaline and Fury crits. For reference, I experimented quite a bit in-game with Tier 5 AA instead of DWS since the build I'm using has access to both.� AA worked well and the DPS was nothing to be ashamed of but DWS was still better.� An extra 2-3 tiers of AA imbues can't compete with the extra damage that Sniper Shot + Merciful Shot + Head Shot provides, even at 300 spell power in the relevant element.� During a 30s full DPS burn with Furystars, 10ks, boosts, etc., you get all the Fury shots plus 5ish adrenaline shots.� Nothing Shadowdancer has can touch that. I've been over all this at length. Spike damage is nice, but you're giving up a lot to get it. You get significantly less dex. Significantly less crit range. Significantly less imbue damage (300 spellpower isn't trying very hard). Extremely less sneak attack. Significantly less Ranged Power. Significantly less fort bypass. Significantly more threat gen. No 100 ninja poison damage per crit. No free vorpal. Etc. Etc. It all adds up. Yes, your active attacks are better, but Executioner Shot, Inferno Shot, and Dispelling Shot are nothing to ignore.

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #156 - May 10^th, 2016 at 7:46pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 12:09pm: I've been over all this at length. Spike damage is nice, but you're giving up a lot to get it. You get significantly less dex. Significantly less crit range. Significantly less imbue damage (300 spellpower isn't trying very hard). Extremely less sneak attack. Significantly less Ranged Power. Significantly less fort bypass. Significantly more threat gen. No 100 ninja poison damage per crit. No free vorpal. Etc. Etc. It all adds up. Yes, your active attacks are better, but Executioner Shot, Inferno Shot, and Dispelling Shot are nothing to ignore. Resisted until now All tests on Lama show there is NO comparison of a pure monk with a Fury Shuri. DPS is roughly 2x with a Fury vs Pure monk thrower. Test sdont lie, do your own research and never listen to 5Foot
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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #157 - May 10^th, 2016 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 12:09pm: I've been over all this at length. Spike damage is nice, but you're giving up a lot to get it. You get significantly less dex. Significantly less crit range. Significantly less imbue damage (300 spellpower isn't trying very hard). Extremely less sneak attack. Significantly less Ranged Power. Significantly less fort bypass. Significantly more threat gen. No 100 ninja poison damage per crit. No free vorpal. Etc. Etc. It all adds up. So you're saying Digi missed something..... significant?


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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #158 - May 10^th, 2016 at 8:42pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 7:46pm: 5 Foot Step wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 12:09pm: I've been over all this at length. Spike damage is nice, but you're giving up a lot to get it. You get significantly less dex. Significantly less crit range. Significantly less imbue damage (300 spellpower isn't trying very hard). Extremely less sneak attack. Significantly less Ranged Power. Significantly less fort bypass. Significantly more threat gen. No 100 ninja poison damage per crit. No free vorpal. Etc. Etc. It all adds up. Yes, your active attacks are better, but Executioner Shot, Inferno Shot, and Dispelling Shot are nothing to ignore. Resisted until now All tests on Lama show there is NO comparison of a pure monk with a Fury Shuri. DPS is roughly 2x with a Fury vs Pure monk thrower. Test sdont lie, do your own research and never listen to 5Foot Oh ho!� somebody start the timer, we can expect 5 days of rough-trade courtship followed up by another bout of hate-fucking these two always end up being to shamed to admit to afterward. Just imagine the children!
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #159 - May 10^th, 2016 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 12:09pm: I've been over all this at length. Spike damage is nice, but you're giving up a lot to get it. You get significantly less dex. Significantly less crit range. Significantly less imbue damage (300 spellpower isn't trying very hard). Extremely less sneak attack. Significantly less Ranged Power. Significantly less fort bypass. Significantly more threat gen. No 100 ninja poison damage per crit. No free vorpal. Etc. Etc. It all adds up. Yes, your active attacks are better, but Executioner Shot, Inferno Shot, and Dispelling Shot are nothing to ignore. From my own in-game play, I think the DPS of your AA shuri build is decent.� On just trash killing, it might even be better.� If it is though, it's marginal given how fast shuriken builds regen adrenaline charges.� I can use adrenaline shots at a fairly regular rate during trash clears so while the damage may be spiky, the spikes are consistent. It still doesn't compare to a FotW build on red-named DPS burns though.� Sniper Shot with KTA, dual boosts, 10kS and Adrenaline Overload quads for 9-13k per star on a debuffed LH Tempest Spine Stormreaver.� You get 3 of those Sniper Shots during Unbridled Fury plus 5 regular adrenaline shots and all the normal attacks in between.� A good Unbridled Fury burn is over 200k dmg in 30s and that's with me being lazy and not using buffs from potions, scrolls, etc.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #160 - May 10^th, 2016 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	Grand wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 8:40pm: So you're saying Digi missed something..... significant?� If I'm missing a "feature", a PM would be welcomed but I don't recall seeing any mention of a feature relevant to an AA-based shuriken build.


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platfarmchink Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 861 Joined: Feb 28^th, 2016	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #161 - May 11^th, 2016 at 11:55am	Print Post
	Quote: Can you make a 12 Arti 5 Sorc and test if the Arti and Sorc lightning bolt SLAs can be cast back to back or if one puts the other on timer? This build might fall apart and not work, and it might be better than a pure 20 tempest: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/415819-Farwind-An-Air-savant-Endgame-E... You need 12 levels of each to take each SLA. This is not possible with current DDO techmology.


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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #162 - May 11^th, 2016 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 9:11pm: If I'm missing a "feature", a PM would be welcomed but I don't recall seeing any mention of a feature relevant to an AA-based shuriken build. No I wasn't implying that man, I was just hassling 5FS for the repeated use of "Significantly" that's all man. Embarrassing joke fail for Grand.


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Dr_tank2vich Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Darma! Posts: 1427 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Joined: Aug 16^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #163 - May 11^th, 2016 at 4:10pm	Print Post
	Grand wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 2:54pm: No I wasn't implying that man, I was just hassling 5FS for the repeated use of "Significantly" that's all man. Embarrassing joke fail for Grand. and without a single mention of p-value.

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Tilo Ex Member	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #164 - May 11^th, 2016 at 4:56pm	Print Post
	platfarmchink wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 11:55am: You need 12 levels of each to take each SLA. This is not possible with current DDO techmology. No, the sorc one is T5, so takes a level 12 character. The arti ones takes 12 arti levels. A 12 Arti 5 Sorc can have both. https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/475130-Lightning-Storm-untested-idea?p... Pseudonym wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:43am: What an amazing idea, you must be really good at this game! People like you are the reason I check the vault. Level 52 total Lightning Bolt SLA.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #165 - May 11^th, 2016 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	Grand wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 2:54pm: No I wasn't implying that man, I was just hassling 5FS for the repeated use of "Significantly" that's all man. Embarrassing joke fail for Grand. Hahaha.� You had me wracking my brain trying to figure out if I'd missed something good.� �That should comfort you a little at least.� �
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #166 - May 12^th, 2016 at 12:25pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:25pm: No. It is 5 Foot who was wrong. Helves all have fetal alcohol syndrome. Sending them into combat is just cruel. And the Zika virus. Can't forget the Zika virus.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #167 - May 13^th, 2016 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 7:46pm: Resisted until now All tests on Lama show there is NO comparison of a pure monk with a Fury Shuri. DPS is roughly 2x with a Fury vs Pure monk thrower. Test sdont lie, do your own research and never listen to 5Foot You're still teaching to the test. The game is not dojo kobolds.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #168 - May 13^th, 2016 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 3:41pm: The game is not dojo kobolds. dps tests dont lie

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #169 - May 13^th, 2016 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 3:44pm: dps tests dont lie�

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #170 - May 13^th, 2016 at 5:24pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 4:35pm: 12 hours or gtfo

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: U31 Hits Lamannia Reply #171 - May 14^th, 2016 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 5:24pm: 12 hours or gtfo Can I post a screenshot of the game not being dojo kobolds or do I need a Dropbear confirmation?

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