Meh.  They know already.  I vote that they just legitimize the combo.  I'd rather see them impact ranged characters with some more intelligent quest design, AI, and game play. 

Nerfing the DPS isn't really the solution.  If ranged characters were standing still and attacking, I think they should do that kind of DPS.  The problem is their mobility + DPS + mob AI/Quest mechanics.  There are other solutions I'd recommend. 

aaahahahaha.....

Nothing good could come from either of them.  People just did it for bragging rights without thinking about the potential consequences.

We did it for the data.

Pretty sure the 10 seconds can be beat by stacking killer, on a ranger, using a scripted rotation to maximize Unbridled, Adrenaline, Inferno Shot, Sniper Shot, and Aimed Shot. We didn't bother going that far, though.

I just read that whole thread...
1.  I need a better hobby
2.  These people would be considered reatarded if they were orangatangs much less humans.  Other orangatangs would tell their orangatang children, "hey, don't hang out with Bob.  He just ain't right.  Have you seen him try to eat an orange?"

I just read that whole thread...
1.  I need a better hobby
2.  These people would be considered reatarded if they were orangatangs much less humans.  Other orangatangs would tell their orangatang children, "hey, don't hang out with Bob.  He just ain't right.  Have you seen him try to eat an orange?"

Proposed Change to Manyshot: from 4 arrows per shot to a formula that distributes EITHER 2 or 3 for an average of 2.41

Dev Calculations.

Now:
MS = 20 sec * 4 arrows/sec = 80
10k = 60 sec * 2.75 arrows/sec = 165
Nothing = 25 sec * 1 arrow/sec + 15 sec * 1.29 arrows/sec = 44
Total 289

Proposed (using Tensors for full bab, which is annoying so kindly change that to char level):
MS = 20 * 2.41 = 48
10k = 60 * 1.89 = 113
Nothing = 40 * 1.29 = 52
Total 213

you nigger faggots have no idea how bad this is for ranged builds.  if they implement this gay, jew, cuckolding, the adrenaline charged slayer arrows, whose damage gets applied to 4 arrows on every burst when manyshoting, will now only get applied to 2.41 arrows: that's an immediate DPS decrease of 44%.  If they nerf slayer arrow on top of this (they already said they would), that's going to tip the scales to well over a 50% drop in DPS (assuming they take only 6% damage off of slaying arrows, which they won't; it'll be more than that) and represent the single biggest nerfing, not just in ddo, but in video game history! 

no one, in any game, ever, has taken so many quality builds and just chucked them in the trash heap in a hearbeat.  this is the most authoritarian, heavy handed, "we just don't like that some people are uber" approach to video game management that I have ever seen: it reeks of incompetence (or they wouldn't be forced into a series of such drastic changes, endless patches, multiple hotfixes, etc.) and a lack of long-term planning (they literally have their heads completely up their asses.)  the funny thing is, those mathmetically illiterate assholes think they're dropping ranged DPS by "only 26.3%" because they have absolutely no command of basic arithmetic.  we're not talking equations here, were talking basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.  the developers are obviously products of a public education system that has failed to teach even minimal competence in math, and now ddo players are paying the price.

this "balancing" act is full of aids and fail; i really with the devs would drink bleach instead of fucking with the game evey 5 mins. "just because."