Vault - Pure Monk

Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #125 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:39am	Print Post
	Sham wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:09am: I'm going to have to pull your big boy card on this. Going straight to ad hominem arguments as usual. Your posts are littered with red herring and fallacies. By the way why the fuck are we discussing monks? Clearly 12 barb/8 arti is the superior build. I'm a beast on my toon suckmydicknemo, I don't rage so I can use my repair light spells and my doggy is my main source of healing. Here's a template https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/426994-BYOH-Barb?p=5118840&viewfull=1#.... GFY, you elitist prick, I'm from Wisconsin and know the right way to play this game. Why? Because Gary Gygax that's why. Chainelling?

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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #126 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:21am	Print Post
	I was channeling Chai, I thought I nailed it


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #127 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 11:23am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:35am: You've completely lost me Sham. Yeah, I didn't get that either. What's the deal Sham? Nobody I know likes Chai either.

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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #128 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 11:23am: Yeah, I didn't get that either. What's the deal Sham? Nobody I know likes Chai either. I was channeling Chai using his favorite catchphrases. I am so misunderstood . Starkjade is smarter than you two. Yeah I hate Chai. I'm surprised even Turdh is arguing against Chai on the sundering thread.
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #129 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:21pm	Print Post
	I got that immediately ( cause of that arty / barb whatever the fuck thread ). /ihavenolife


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #130 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:57pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:21pm: I got that immediately ( cause of that� arty / barb whatever the fuck thread ). /ihavenolife I didn't get it (obviously). I don't spend much time on the DDO Forums anymore as I cannot post there.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Pure Monk Reply #131 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:42pm	Print Post
	So Sat down and worked out the all stars aligned maximum wisdom / quivering palm DC's. Please let me know If I've missed anything. Race Required Half Elf: Code 18 wisdom Quivering palm 7 levels 5 tome � � � �� 10 base 3 epic feats 10 1/2 monk level 11 item � � � �� 38 wis mod 4 ocean stance 3 gmof core tactics 5 insightful (shintao void dragon) 13 shattering item 1 exceptional 6 exceptional mastery 2 capstone 2 helf dilly 3 class enhancement 6 legendary tactics (twist) 1 helf enhancement 2 Epic Tactics (ED Feat) 3 surge enhancement 2 ship buff 90 Highest possible quivering palm on a first life monk. 2 yugo 2 store pot 3 alchemical potion With pastlives 5 ED � �� 1 (completionists +2 wisdom) 2 Acute instincts twist � �� 3 fighter past lives. 2 bard song 1 twist � �� 94 Maximum Quivering palm DC 4 profane (abishai cookies) 86 wisdom (38base)

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #132 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	Only thing I can think of is the Cormyran Knight Training from PDK (...as long as your Charisma remains higher than your Strength, you receive a bonus to the DCs of your Tactical Feats equal to 1/3 your Charisma modifier.) But I don't know if that would help or hurt, being PDK.

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Re: Pure Monk
Reply #133 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:39pm

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Hmm I'd completely overlooked PDK.

Thanks goes to distributed for letting me copy paste his tables without permission

Wisdom	� �� Charisma	� �� Quivering Palm
18 wisdom 7 levels 5 tome 3 epic feats 11 item 4 ocean stance 5 insightful (shintao void dragon) 1 exceptional 3 class enhancement 1 PDK 3 actionboost 2 ship buff 2 yugo 2 store pot 3 alchemical potion 5 ED 2 Acute instincts twist 2 bard song 1 twist 4 profane (abishai cookies) 84 wisdom (37 base)	18 cha 5 tome 10 item 5 insight 1 exceptional 1 enhancment (racial) 3 actionboost 1 enhancement (henshin) 2 ship 2 yugo 2 store bought 2 alchemical 4 abishai 2 song 58 cha	10 base 8 monk levels 37 wis mod 8 third of cha mod 3 gmof core tactics 13 shattering item 6 exceptional mastery 3 Kensai 6 legendary tactics (twist) 2 Epic Tactics (ED Feat) 96 First life Subtotal 1 completionist wisdom 3 fighter pastlives 100 Highest possible Quivering palm

I splashed 2 fighter for PDK.� it's cost me 2 capstone wisdom and 2 quivering palm DC's.�

I've made that up in saved AP's by getting 3kensai tactics and evening out my cha and wisdom. The DC overall is the same, but splashing fighter nets 2 extra action boosts.

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #134 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 11:07pm	Print Post
	Psst... 1/3 of cha mod is +8 at 58 cha... 24 mod

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Pure Monk Reply #135 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 11:12pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 11:07pm: Psst... 1/3 of cha mod is +8 at 58 cha... 24 mod No, that's 1/3 of your cha score.

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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #136 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 11:42pm	Print Post
	Is it worth it though to go shortswords, because the PDK dc doesn't work with wraps? I dunno I like wraps. Also how hard would it be to find sundering shortsword to go along with Celestia.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Pure Monk Reply #137 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 12:04am	Print Post
	Er, Starkjade is correct... PDK is 1/3rd of mod. 58 score = 24 mod = 8 bonus. PDK tactics bonus is not that great.


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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #138 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 12:11am	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 12:04am: Er, Starkjade is correct... PDK is 1/3rd of mod. 58 score = 24 mod = 8 bonus. PDK tactics bonus is not that great. Also no wraps is a killer.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Pure Monk Reply #139 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 12:17am	Print Post
	bleh, stupidity moment >< Sham, easiest bet is probably a drow shortsword for +10 or shattering dunrobar. Stunning mod doesn't factor in with PDK since you've got fuck all str and have to have weapons equipped for the 1/3 cha tactics. This was purely theory crafting anyway, I wouldn't make either build focusing that strongly on wisdom.
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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #140 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 11:56am	Print Post
	You "forgot" using imp sunder first for +3 to effective DC. I WILL say, I'm thinking about doing a close-to-max wis build since it benefits EiN as well. I was even considering going pure. I kinda still wanna fit in Ocrit.. But, then it's hard to fit in completionist feat unless I go human.. Still playing with it. I have 2 more pally lives to go before I'm ready. As an aside, I thought max heal amp would be funny. 30% Human 30% Monk 25% Jidz 20% gear 10% gear 10% Ship 30% Gear 15% Past Life 10% Finger = over 500% incoming heals. lol� Kinda fun. IF human is 1.11.11.1, and monk is 1.051.05... etc., then the total max is something like 1.11.11.11.051.051.051.051.051.051.251.21.11.11.31.051.051.051. 1=536% Or possibly MORE depending on finger necklace still working weird. Although, I have one on my pally, and it doesn't seem to matter what order I put my gear on. So, not sure if it's still working that way or not. that's 8HP per hit on your light curse. lol. 1.9 offhand for 15+ avg heal per attack on an unarmed monk. Plus the finisher would be like.. alot. EDIT: 11d4 base* =27.5 3.5 (250 SP)=96.255.36healamp=515.9 :D *Woodfist thread a guy said 15d4 for light finisher, but wiki says 1d4 plus 1d4 per two monk levels.. So, 11d4 seems max, no?
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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #141 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 4:15pm	Print Post
	ok.. I think I AM going to try pure even if I see 16/2/2 as real strong. If I don't like it, I'll LR. Human Completionist Monk (currently level 6) str� �16 +2LUs+2completionist+10item+2insight+1exc+5tome+2ship+2rage= 42 usual; +2 yugo, +3 Primal=47+4FireStance=51 situational dex 13+4tome+2completionist+8 item+1exc+2ship=30 usual con� 13+5tome+2completionist+9item+1exc+2insight+2ship+2rage=36 (13 mod) Int� �8 + whocares Wis� 18+5tome+11item+2completionist+5levels+4enh+2capstone+1human+3insight+1exc+2ship +2yugo+2alchemical+4water+5destiny+2acute instincts=69 wis (29mod) +3 actionboost=72wis for EIN (31mod); 59 in Fire Stance = 24 mod Cha� 8 + whocares Feats7,1hum,3mnk, 3epic PA (lvl1) Cleave Mnk1 Stun Hum1 Dodge Mnk2 Completionist (lvl3) gCleave (lvl6) Imp Sunder Mnk3 Two Weapon Fighting (lvl 9-dex15) Imp Crit (lvl 12) ITWF (lvl 15; dex 17) gtwf (lvl 18) Ocrit lvl 21 Imp MA (lvl 24) Tactician (destiny lvl 26) Blinding Speed Or Vorpal Strikes (lvl 27) Perfect TWF (destiny lvl 28) Stunning Fist: 10base+14charlvl+27wismod+3ftrPLs+6LDtwist+3GMOF+10item+5exctactics+2tacticianfe at+2firestancetactics=82 Stun DC� (could do bear cloak and 12 stun wraps to get 85) Quivering Palm:10base+10mnklvl+26wismod+3ftrPLS+6LDtwist+3GMOF+12shatteritem?+5extactics+2tacti cianfeat+2firestancetactics=79 QP. Could do bear cloak for 80. EIN: 20base+14lvl+31wismod+2-5 touch of the void=67-70 DC� Could pop Abishais for 2 more DC situationally. I actually DO have 250 of each. Heal Amp For Funzies: 1.1576 Pally PLs X3 1.331 Human 1.34 Shintao 1.3 PDK Gloves 1.25 Jizzz 1.2 gear 1.1 gear 1.1 Finger 1.1 EA twist 1.1 Ship =589% 1.1 Vigor Stance in U.S. 1.15 Druid Buff =745% Incoming Hjeals =Healing Curse of 5-10 per hit Pos SP 138 Augment 10 Shintao 2+11ranks+15 aug+4tome+1profane+2completionist+29+wis+8epiclvls=72 Heal =220 Pos SP =Healing Ki 27 avg (11d4) (3.20)=86.45.89 heal amp=508.9 hit points Vapirism=10.72 per hit Ivy wraps on a stunned mob + healing curse = FILLER UP HitPoints 160 Monk 364 Con 15 Shintao 45 GS HP item 35 False Life 15 Draconic Vit 20 Heroic Durability 15 Imp Heroic Durability 10 Barb PLx1 20 Vitality 80 Epic Levels 779 APs 36ish Shintao 27ish Ninja (2 wis, sneak, no mercy, dodge) 17 Human (full heal amp)
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	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #142 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 4:39pm	Print Post
	Need to start with 18 str or put 2 level ups in there for OC. 23 str req'd.

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #143 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 4:39pm: Need to start with 18 str or put 2 level ups in there for OC.� 23 str req'd. Fixed but I are sad.

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #144 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	Also, you get 8 more ranks of Heal for your epic levels, so 220 positive spell power, not including GH/bard song/good luck augment. And I think you can get 13 or 14 shatter or stun on lootgen wraps, so there's a couple more DC. Looks like it'll be pretty damned hard to kill, assuming you're in melee range and have appropriate dodge/displace/incorp.

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #145 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:01pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:32pm: Also, you get 8 more ranks of Heal for your epic levels, so 220 positive spell power, not including GH/bard song/good luck augment. And I think you can get 13 or 14 shatter or stun on lootgen wraps, so there's a couple more DC. Looks like it'll be pretty damned hard to kill, assuming you're in melee range and have appropriate dodge/displace/incorp. I believe you are correct. I have been chain TRing, so I haven't seen lots of the high end loot. I've seen 12s. But, I've heard they go up to 14s if you're lucky. I'll be on the lookout when I'm capped fo sho.

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #146 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	I had a set of +13 shatter wraps up for auction on Sarlona, and it took WEEKS to sell, so it's likely that few people (if any) are really looking. It's a serious pain in the ass to search through since the full value only shows in the description, but it's probably worth looking through the pawn shops and AH, especially since last weekend was +loot.

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #147 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 1:17am	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:52pm: I had a set of +13 shatter wraps up for auction on Sarlona, and it took WEEKS to sell, so it's likely that few people (if any) are really looking.� It's a serious pain in the ass to search through since the full value only shows in the description, but it's probably worth looking through the pawn shops and AH, especially since last weekend was +loot. Best ones on Khyber AH or SHAH right now are +6s

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #148 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Well... My main is currently 27--almost 28 pure completionist human monk. Wis is 60 in Mountain stance with Yugo Pot and shippies. Qpalm is 75 with +11 wraps. I haven't found better yet. I can self buff to 74 wisdom temporarily for EiN, putting that DC at 65 next level. Only 64 PRR in mountain atm and 11% dodge. I also have 111 AC in whiterobe. Still playing with gear though.. I think I really wanna get a +3 wis blue helm. Also, i REALLY need a +ki item on. I don't know WHAT munk is smoking that he doesn't. I might still try running in fire sometimes for ki. I never seem to have enough. YES I use the GMOF clickie when it's available. EDIT: Haven't touched stormhorns yet, though. I did all of Wheloon. (I got EE Shadowsight on my first EE run of Mirror Darkly. )
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	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Pure Monk Reply #149 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:14pm	Print Post
	Speaking of Pure Monk, thinking of re-doing Arkat. Currently he's an 18/2Ftr split WF with 3 past Monk Lives (4 Monk lives total). 72 QP and 77 SF DCs. Want to either go pure and make him a Bladeforged or go 16/2Ftr/2Pal and stay a WF. In either event, I want to TR him three more times for the three Fighter past lives for the +3 to my QP and SF DCs. I could always stay an 18/2 WF and just get the three Fighter past lives too. If I go the 16/2/2 WF route, my saves go up by +7 and the QP DC will wind up being 74 and SF DC will be 80. Enhancements would pretty much stay the same as I wouldn't put any APs into any of the Pal trees. If I went BF with this split, oh boy, talk about a headache! Too much good stuff in the BF tree to not get which would cause problems with my other trees. If I go Pure, my QP DC will only go up to 73 and my SF DC will rise to 78. I'd also get all the Bladeforged Reconstruct/Forge buff goodness. I'd definitely have to change my Enhancements though but I wouldn't have to worry so much about spreading my APs across so many trees. If I stay 18/2 and get the three Fighter past lives, I'd have a QP DC of 75 and a SF DC of 80. I wouldn't have to really change gear nor mess with my Enhancements. There are reasons to take any one of the three paths. I'm just not sure which one I'll take. I'm currently leaning towards the 16/2/2 path, however.
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