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Higher DC Help?
Jan 27th, 2016 at 3:58am
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I'm a 20warlock human necro-DC caster.

What gear can I get for higher DCs?

Here is the breakdown of what I got so far...

76 CHA
18base
7tome
23item
15item(giving 1)
7leveling
4devour the soul enhancement
2enlightened spirit
1human
2soul eater
2ship buff
8exalted angel
1cha twist

Necro DC is 74
I've done all I can on this aside from more CHA or better gear. Only got +7necro goggles (can't find any on Sarlona) but does anyone know any better gear that gives necro bonuses or caster level for warlock etc.?

So far you can easily get 150+ kills in LH Shroud and tier 5 soul eater makes instakills easy on any LH really. LE is where it's at though and I fail spell pen a lot there. I don't even know the DCs there. Hurl works like a charm with a 68 DC but FoD fails a lot. Higher fortitude in LE I guess. Tell me what to grind for.
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:08am
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http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Robe_of_Shadow_(Level_24)

K got to wait for Mabar on that one.
  
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K got to wait for Mabar on that one.


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The last comments by Slarden here may help https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/451069-Geargolem-INT-breakdown

Im currently topping up my spell pen with 2 more fvs lives...
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:47am
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I'm a 20warlock human necro-DC caster.

What gear can I get for higher DCs?

Here is the breakdown of what I got so far...

76 CHA
18base
7tome
23item
15item(giving 1)
7leveling
4devour the soul enhancement
2enlightened spirit
1human
2soul eater
2ship buff
8exalted angel
1cha twist

Necro DC is 74
I've done all I can on this aside from more CHA or better gear. Only got +7necro goggles (can't find any on Sarlona) but does anyone know any better gear that gives necro bonuses or caster level for warlock etc.?

So far you can easily get 150+ kills in LH Shroud and tier 5 soul eater makes instakills easy on any LH really. LE is where it's at though and I fail spell pen a lot there. I don't even know the DCs there. Hurl works like a charm with a 68 DC but FoD fails a lot. Higher fortitude in LE I guess. Tell me what to grind for.


You list out your CHA, but not the rest of what gets you to 74.  That would be helpful.

You are at:

10  Base
9    Spell Level with heighten
33  Charisma Modifier
7    Goggles
=59

There are 15 more that are coming from somewhere.  Knowing what those are would help to know what was missing.

Here's a list of Necro DC Options, some of which you are clearly missing:
10  Base
9    Spell Level with heighten
33  Charisma Modifier
7    Necro Item
2    Insight Necro Item
1    Quality Necro Item (Gauntlets of Arcane Soldier)
2    Exceptional Necro Augment
1    Profane bonus (Thunderforged armor)
2    Sacred Bonus (Diefic Diadem)
1    Wiz PL
3    SF Necro, GSF Necro, Epic SF Necro
1    Immortal Will (T4 SE tree)
1    Planar Focus (T5 TS tree)
2    Tainted Spellcasting (1st Core TS Tree.  20 sec of every minute)
3    EA 3rd Core - When Running in EA
3    Necro Specialist - Magister Twist
2    Embolden Spell
4    Scion of Shadowfell
=87

Match up what you have and find the holes.  Your Charisma is close, but not max.  You should be able to reach 82-84 standing.  I'm not seeing Completionist or Litany in your numbers, for starters.  That's 4 right there.  Once you get your standing CHA up into the 80's, then with Yugo pot, store pot and house D pot, you will add 7 to that number.  That puts you around 90-92.  That extra 14-16 can get your DC to the 95 range.

EDIT:  Get your spell pen over 60 or you are wasting your time.   All you will see is a bunch of Purple Shields.


 

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Wow Asheras that was SUPER HELPFUL. I'm making Shadow Caster armor now. Also got some more loot I need to grind for.

I'm 20warlock and want another wizzy past life for more spell pen. If I +5 LR two times to 10wiz,10warlock would that give me the past life I want if I TR?

I wish they were selling Otto's boxes right now. I just did another LH Shroud and had 193 kills. The pale master wizzy had 100. I had 88 at the end of part 1. Feels good.
  
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Wow Asheras that was SUPER HELPFUL. I'm making Shadow Caster armor now. Also got some more loot I need to grind for.

I'm 20warlock and want another wizzy past life for more spell pen. If I +5 LR two times to 10wiz,10warlock would that give me the past life I want if I TR?

I wish they were selling Otto's boxes right now. I just did another LH Shroud and had 193 kills. The pale master wizzy had 100. I had 88 at the end of part 1. Feels good.

and people say knn spams trollish shit? at least that nigga is funny. this is just sad that you people buy it. he linked a fuking mabar cloak ffs....
  
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 10:34am:
and people say knn spams trollish shit? at least that nigga is funny. this is just sad that you people buy it. he linked a fuking mabar cloak ffs....


Meh.  I've been working on my own DC caster, so I had most of it handy.  And I figured it would be a good discussion topic to find what everyone else was doing with DC's.  My list was probably not complete.  I'm sure others have some ideas to squeak out a few more points. 

  
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 10:34am:
and people say knn spams trollish shit? at least that nigga is funny. this is just sad that you people buy it. he linked a fuking mabar cloak ffs....


You lost me at knn is funny...
  
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Re: Higher DC Help?
Reply #10 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 11:17am
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Asheras wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:47am:
You list out your CHA, but not the rest of what gets you to 74.  That would be helpful.

You are at:

10  Base
9    Spell Level with heighten
33  Charisma Modifier
7    Goggles
=59

There are 15 more that are coming from somewhere.  Knowing what those are would help to know what was missing.

Here's a list of Necro DC Options, some of which you are clearly missing:
10  Base
9    Spell Level with heighten
33  Charisma Modifier
7    Necro Item
2    Insight Necro Item
1    Quality Necro Item (Gauntlets of Arcane Soldier)
2    Exceptional Necro Augment
1    Profane bonus (Thunderforged armor)
2    Sacred Bonus (Diefic Diadem)
1    Wiz PL
3    SF Necro, GSF Necro, Epic SF Necro
1    Immortal Will (T4 SE tree)
1    Planar Focus (T5 TS tree)
2    Tainted Spellcasting (1st Core TS Tree.  20 sec of every minute)
3    EA 3rd Core - When Running in EA
3    Necro Specialist - Magister Twist
2    Embolden Spell
4    Scion of Shadowfell
=87

Match up what you have and find the holes.  Your Charisma is close, but not max.  You should be able to reach 82-84 standing.  I'm not seeing Completionist or Litany in your numbers, for starters.  That's 4 right there.  Once you get your standing CHA up into the 80's, then with Yugo pot, store pot and house D pot, you will add 7 to that number.  That puts you around 90-92.  That extra 14-16 can get your DC to the 95 range.

EDIT:  Get your spell pen over 60 or you are wasting your time.   All you will see is a bunch of Purple Shields.


 


Warlocks only have level 6 spells.. Roll EyesMight consider -10 fort saves from magister,but its not as useful as PMs'.Also we have quality dc+2 items now
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Holyavatar wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 11:17am:
Warlocks only have level 6 spells.. Roll EyesMight consider -10 fort saves from magister,but its not as useful as PMs'.Also we have quality dc+2 items now


Where is there a quality +2 spell focus item?  I must have missed that.

I also missed ES AoM. The Aura has a -2 saving throw debuff which is effectively a +2 to DC's.
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Reply #13 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:36pm
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Asheras wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:47am:
You list out your CHA, but not the rest of what gets you to 74.  That would be helpful.

You are at:

10  Base
9    Spell Level with heighten
33  Charisma Modifier
7    Goggles
=59

There are 15 more that are coming from somewhere.  Knowing what those are would help to know what was missing.

Here's a list of Necro DC Options, some of which you are clearly missing:
10  Base
9    Spell Level with heighten
33  Charisma Modifier
7    Necro Item
2    Insight Necro Item
1    Quality Necro Item (Gauntlets of Arcane Soldier)
2    Exceptional Necro Augment
1    Profane bonus (Thunderforged armor)
2    Sacred Bonus (Diefic Diadem)
1    Wiz PL
3    SF Necro, GSF Necro, Epic SF Necro
1    Immortal Will (T4 SE tree)
1    Planar Focus (T5 TS tree)
2    Tainted Spellcasting (1st Core TS Tree.  20 sec of every minute)
3    EA 3rd Core - When Running in EA
3    Necro Specialist - Magister Twist
2    Embolden Spell
4    Scion of Shadowfell
=87

Match up what you have and find the holes.  Your Charisma is close, but not max.  You should be able to reach 82-84 standing.  I'm not seeing Completionist or Litany in your numbers, for starters.  That's 4 right there.  Once you get your standing CHA up into the 80's, then with Yugo pot, store pot and house D pot, you will add 7 to that number.  That puts you around 90-92.  That extra 14-16 can get your DC to the 95 range.

EDIT:  Get your spell pen over 60 or you are wasting your time.   All you will see is a bunch of Purple Shields.





First off, Dispel, you have the usefulness of a used tampon.This is only being posted because Asheras


@Asheras a couple of things- First warlocks only go up to level 6, so drop your DC by 3.

Here is my current break down for the build I want to play: 41 SE/8 TS/31 ES

The goal is high enough DCs to get everything with either consume the soul/hurl or FoD/Wail/CoD, while at the same time retaining decent single target dps and good to great survivability

Cha:
18 Base
7 Levels
7 Tome

Items
15 Enh
7 Insight
2 Exceptional
2 Profane

Character
6 Epic Destiny
2 Sacred (from EA)
8 Enhancements
2 Complet
1 Twist

Buffs
2 Yugo
2 Ship
-Store 2
-Alchemical 3

Base 77 Cha, 81 with normal buffs, 86 with consumables

Spell Pen:
22 Caster Level
8 Feats
9 Epic Destiny/Twists
9 Past Lives
1 Warlock
7 TF Item
2 Insight (Goggles)
SP 58
(66-68 for 1 target/10 seconds)

Feats:
1 Heighten, Quicken
3 PL Wiz
6 Complet
9 Maximize
12 Greater Spell Pen
15 Necro Focus
18 Empower
21 Epic Spell Focus
24 Embolden
26 Epic Eld Blast
27 Ruin
28 Hellball
29 Arcane Pulse
30 Greater Ruin

Twist:
Spell Pen (DI)
Spell Pen (Magister)
Necro Focus
Cocoon
Cha 1

Necro DC:
Base 16
38 Cha
1 Ship
1 Profane
1 Necro Focus
1 Wiz PL
3 Necro Twist
1 Immortal Will
3 EA Core
6 Item
2 Insight item
2 Aug slot
2 Meta
1 Quality
4 Shadowfell
2 Tainted (1/3 of time, but don't like counting on it)

2 Shaken
2 Aura
4 Taint the blood (for fort)
79 Indicated (86 actual, 88 while tainted active)
For FoD/Wail/CoD, add 4 for taint the blood

Gear to be posted. Not sure if the dc's are good enough yet.
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Reply #14 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:58pm
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Rastelin wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:36pm:
First off, Dispel, you have the usefulness of a used tampon.This is only being posted because Asheras


@Asheras a couple of things- First warlocks only go up to level 6, so drop your DC by 3.

Here is my current break down for the build I want to play: 41 SE/8 TS/31 ES

The goal is high enough DCs to get everything with either consume the soul/hurl or FoD/Wail/CoD, while at the same time retaining decent single target dps and good to great survivability

Cha:
18 Base
7 Levels
7 Tome

Items
15 Enh
7 Insight
2 Exceptional
2 Profane

Character
6 Epic Destiny
2 Sacred (from EA)
8 Enhancements
2 Complet
1 Twist

Buffs
2 Yugo
2 Ship
-Store 2
-Alchemical 3

Base 77 Cha, 81 with normal buffs, 86 with consumables

Spell Pen:
22 Caster Level
8 Feats
9 Epic Destiny/Twists
9 Past Lives
1 Warlock
7 TF Item
2 Insight (Goggles)
SP 58
(66-68 for 1 target/10 seconds)

Feats:
1 Heighten, Quicken
3 PL Wiz
6 Complet
9 Maximize
12 Greater Spell Pen
15 Necro Focus
18 Empower
21 Epic Spell Focus
24 Embolden
26 Epic Eld Blast
27 Ruin
28 Hellball
29 Arcane Pulse
30 Greater Ruin

Twist:
Spell Pen (DI)
Spell Pen (Magister)
Necro Focus
Cocoon
Cha 1

Necro DC:
Base 16
38 Cha
1 Ship
1 Profane
1 Necro Focus
1 Wiz PL
3 Necro Twist
1 Immortal Will
3 EA Core
6 Item
2 Insight item
2 Aug slot
2 Meta
1 Quality
4 Shadowfell
2 Tainted (1/3 of time, but don't like counting on it)

2 Shaken
2 Aura
4 Taint the blood (for fort)
79 Indicated (86 actual, 88 while tainted active)
For FoD/Wail/CoD, add 4 for taint the blood

Gear to be posted. Not sure if the dc's are good enough yet.


Good stuff Rast.  Thanks.  Velania (FvS) has a standing (no pots/temp buffs) 85 Evo DC (87 effective in aura) and her spell pen is:

25 Caster levels
8   Feats
7   Item
2   Insight Item
9   PL's
1   AoV
3   Elf
3   EA Piercing Spellcraft
3   Twist Magister
3   Twist Draconic
=64  (I wish there was a way to see Spell Pen on your character sheet.  On the same place as the spell power or something.)

I'm not getting purple shields in LE Shroud much, but it happens occasionally.  Implosion is landing reliably, but not no-fail.  I'll get 4/5 on most of the trog, kobold, cat mobs in part 1.  The trolls and orthons can be a bit tougher.  More in the 3/5 range.  The Keeper is around a 50/50 proposition.

My Necro and Enchant DC's are around 72-74 or so.  I can Greater Command everything but the trog casters with near no fail with that.  Attacking their will saves are easy.  The Trog casters can be destructed reliably at 72-74.
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nevermind, figured out what i had wrong.
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 10:34am:
and people say knn spams trollish shit? at least that nigga is funny. this is just sad that you people buy it. he linked a fuking mabar cloak ffs....



WAIIIT!  mabar cloak's not best in slot anymore?!!
  
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Asheras wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:58pm:
My Necro and Enchant DC's are around 72-74 or so.  I can Greater Command everything but the trog casters with near no fail with that.  Attacking their will saves are easy.  The Trog casters can be destructed reliably at 72-74.



in LE Shroud?  dudes on mobos bitching that their DC 80+s aren't working on the gnolls.
  
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in LE Shroud?  dudes on mobos bitching that their DC 80+s aren't working on the gnolls.


The gnolls are another matter.  You aren't getting them with DC's in the 70's.  I was talking about part 1.  I can't hit the gnolls on my FvS with anything but implosion.  I can implode them in LE shroud, but that's an 85.  And it's not no-fail.  Also, the FvS aura does a -2 saves debuff, so it's effectively 87, and it helps to hit them with some damage real quick just to combat epic resilience.  I think they have a bonus to saves when at full health.  Or something like that.  I can't recall now.  I also use all the yugo, house D, store/dice roll supreme ability pots, etc in part 4 and that adds another 3-4 to the DC, so I'm at around 90 effective at that point. 

Some of the guys bitching about mid-80's DC's not working might not have mid-80's DC's.  Just sayin....

EDIT:  One of the nice things about implosion is that it hits 4-5 mobs with one cast.  So, even if you don't get no fail, you can start next to two of them and then wing over to two more.  You won't get all of them in LE, but you won't strike out either.  Combined with a fiend pact warlock or two and/or a good necro wizard you can can take out half the gnolls before they even start healing Harry. 

Honestly,  The best solution is to 1 round Harry and not fuck with the gnolls.  That's how we did it in the speed runs on Khyber that I was in. 

 
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Basic bread-and-butter trolling, using numbers for camouflage, pulled of by Dispel here; Rubbins was the only non-bait taker.  Mabar was a dead give away, faggots.
  
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Basic bread-and-butter trolling, using numbers for camouflage, pulled of by Dispel here; Rubbins was the only non-bait taker.  Mabar was a dead give away, faggots.


Maybe so, but I'm more interested in having a discussion about DC's and spell pen and current LE content saves than worrying about whether Dispel is trolling me or not.
  
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Asheras wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 5:09pm:
Maybe so, but I'm more interested in having a discussion about DC's and spell pen and current LE content saves than worrying about whether Dispel is trolling me or not. 


Everything Dispel and KNN post is a troll.

Everything.

Install the KNN mitigation scripts and add Dispel to the lists.

He'll get over it.
  
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Skoodge wrote on Nov 27th, 2014 at 6:54am:
DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass.
GooFY wrote on Mar 2nd, 2015 at 5:36pm:
Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence.  
Meursault wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up.
Meursault wrote on Nov 12th, 2015 at 2:50pm:
Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close.
palmer01 wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:05am:
Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy.
PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 1:24am:
The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.

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Re: Higher DC Help?
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OldCoaly wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:46pm:
Everything Dispel and KNN post is a troll.

Everything.


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Asheras wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
The gnolls are another matter.  You aren't getting them with DC's in the 70's.  I was talking about part 1.  I can't hit the gnolls on my FvS with anything but implosion.  I can implode them in LE shroud, but that's an 85.  And it's not no-fail.  Also, the FvS aura does a -2 saves debuff, so it's effectively 87, and it helps to hit them with some damage real quick just to combat epic resilience.  I think they have a bonus to saves when at full health.  Or something like that.  I can't recall now.  I also use all the yugo, house D, store/dice roll supreme ability pots, etc in part 4 and that adds another 3-4 to the DC, so I'm at around 90 effective at that point. 

Some of the guys bitching about mid-80's DC's not working might not have mid-80's DC's.  Just sayin....

EDIT:  One of the nice things about implosion is that it hits 4-5 mobs with one cast.  So, even if you don't get no fail, you can start next to two of them and then wing over to two more.  You won't get all of them in LE, but you won't strike out either.  Combined with a fiend pact warlock or two and/or a good necro wizard you can can take out half the gnolls before they even start healing Harry. 

Honestly,  The best solution is to 1 round Harry and not fuck with the gnolls.  That's how we did it in the speed runs on Khyber that I was in. 

 



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Revaulting wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:16pm:
Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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