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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #200 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 10:09am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:03am: are you talking about Half Elf bluff? Did you put points in bluff Yes, Helf has dual bluffs and I spent some points in it. Not too high around 40-ish bluff total when capped. harharharhar wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:03am: How much faster would you say I would say it chops off about 10 seconds on every build I tried. Including the melees in u31 lama testing.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #201 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 11:01am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 11:55pm: Yeah, it's good also if you do not macro boosts. How can you macro boosts?


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #202 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 12:44pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 10:09am: Yes, Helf has dual bluffs and I spent some points in it. Not too high around 40-ish bluff total when capped. I would say it chops off about 10 seconds on every build I tried. Including the melees in u31 lama testing. 10 seconds? Are these builds in which you were not using Sniper Shot?


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #203 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 12:44pm: 10 seconds? Are these builds in which you were not using Sniper Shot? Not only on the throwers. Mech times were faster. Wolf times were faster.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #204 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 1:16pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 11:01am: How can you macro boosts? need a keyboard and/or mouse with macro keys. DDO allows for any and everything to be on a macro. You can swap items, use clickies, sap back. Hit all boosts, go through spell/attack rotations. Every thing.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #205 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 1:25pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 1:14pm: Not only on the throwers. Mech times were faster. Wolf times were faster. That wasn't my question though. My question is were you using Sniper Snot? If so, the times shouldn't be that much lower, because you should have been getting most of the SA damage most of the time from Sniper already.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #206 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:18pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 1:25pm: If so, the times shouldn't be that much lower, None of that even matters. Easily way more dps with sneak + ethereal than any other set up.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #207 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:18pm: None of that even matters. Easily way more dps with sneak + ethereal than any other set up.� You're still not getting my question. Were your times faster with bluffs with or without Sniper Shot in the rotation?


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #208 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:51pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:35pm: You're still not getting my question. Were your times faster with bluffs with or without Sniper Shot in the rotation? I'm answering your original question where you weren't sure what is more dps. It's Sneak + Ethereal. Sneak and Eth are faster than everything else + Sniper Shot.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #209 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 4:01pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:51pm: I'm answering your original question where you weren't sure what is more dps. It's Sneak + Ethereal. Sneak and Eth are faster than everything else + Sniper Shot. I wish you would answer the question I'm asking, as I'm not trying to argue with you or your test of Ethereal. I am trying to ascertain if I should try to macro the bluffs or not. I'm changing my mind on Ethereal not because of your faster red named tests with it (which I'm less interested in since Sneak of Shadow is a big boost and only 3x a day) I'm more interested in the SA damage on mobs with shuriken. My thought is that this build already creams red names, and making the better choice for shoring up trash damage might be a good idea. Ethereal lends itself to killing trash better than Arborea I think, or at least the way I play (saving Manyshot for bosses and mostly 10k'ing trash). Sneak of Shadows is a really nice boost, but at only 3 minutes per day it's deflating your red name DPS time, compared to it's contribution to say, clearing a whole dungeon, which is also relevant.
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zoriaan Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 105 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2016	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #210 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 4:30pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 12:33am: I'm TR'ing into a 12/6/2 Hahahaha wow you really are pathetic....now this split is good enough all of a sudden after you swore high and low you are the shuri god and only your splits are the ones that matter....


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #211 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 5:00pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 4:01pm: I am trying to ascertain if I should try to macro the bluffs or not No. They do increase dps. But macroing a 15 second bluff and an even longer helf bluff isn't the best use of them. They should be used separately when the boss isn't already turned around from deception. Using both on a macro'd rotation seems bad. You'll only get 3 bluffs in a 45 seconds span. You will be using sniper shot as well and that is a consistent bluff every 6 seconds. I would not macro bluffs together. Go ahead and macro sniper shot, it's every 6 seconds. And get inferno shot as well for every 3 seconds. They will increase dps when in a rotation.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #212 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	zoriaan wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 4:30pm: Hahahaha wow you really are pathetic....now this split is good enough all of a sudden after you swore high and low you are the shuri god and only your splits are the ones that matter.... I asked for credit. I've said repeatedly this is a very good split. I did not always agree with ethereal scion as a feat choice but it looks to be top notch with further testing.


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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #213 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 7:55pm	Print Post
	I've tested different classes both ethereal and arborea, and even on a rogue the ethereal is better. If rogues who already have tons of SA without the feat are better with ethereal, for shuriken it is a no brainer.
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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #214 - Aug 24^th, 2016 at 2:30am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 5:01pm: I asked for credit.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #215 - Aug 24^th, 2016 at 1:35pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 12:26am: feature� PM plz.

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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #216 - Aug 25^th, 2016 at 9:08am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 1:35pm: PM plz.� Probably how you can take AP in tiers you don't have levels in.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #217 - Aug 25^th, 2016 at 11:16am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 1:35pm: PM plz.� TY, I will check it out.

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #218 - Aug 25^th, 2016 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	This feature is pretty marginal. I would argue due to the cost and time involved in making it work, you're better off with 14/6 split for 10k Doubleshot increase which doesn't involve log in and log out machinations. Though the 2 fighter feats are nice.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #219 - Aug 25^th, 2016 at 1:37pm	Print Post
	Also I confirmed last night with a friend you don't need any fighter levels for the feature


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #220 - Aug 25^th, 2016 at 1:55pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Aug 25^th, 2016 at 1:36pm: you're better off with 14/6 split for 10k Doubleshot increase Sort of. It's still higher during 10k than 14/6 with the feature. And higher all the time too. The feats are cool tho. Hard to fit in everything with ranged power feats and Sneak of Shadows.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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ChewyOoeyGoOey Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 85 Joined: Dec 13^th, 2013	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #221 - Aug 25^th, 2016 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 25^th, 2016 at 1:55pm: with the feature Hahaha, "features".� It's the only fun way to play DDO these days (or for a while, at least for me)...� Well, there's also griefing pugs/redshirts and friends but I have to admit I'm not very adept at that sort of thing.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #222 - Aug 25^th, 2016 at 3:09pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 25^th, 2016 at 1:55pm: Sort of. It's still higher during 10k than 14/6 with the feature. And higher all the time too. The feats are cool tho. Hard to fit in everything with ranged power feats and Sneak of Shadows. Yeah I mean people can do their own math and mileage or whatever. For me, I do not want to be redoing my enhancements and stuff all the time. I think the RP feats are nice but they don't actually add that much damage, and the 10k Doubleshot does mitigate the loss of Ranged Power mostly, according to my rough calculations (not the feature Doubleshot, just the 2 monk level Doubleshot). If you're going Etheral/Sneak of Shadows, the fighter feats are really great for that reason alone, esp. if you're Completionist. Lastly, I run the Mac client and I have to restart every 10 Dungeons or so due to clipping issues Turbine has never fixed. That makes the features unattractive to me personally, given circumstances.
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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #223 - Aug 25^th, 2016 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	If you don't need the fighter feats, than just go with more ranger to get CLW.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Furicannon Build (Thrower/Bow hybrid) Reply #224 - Aug 25^th, 2016 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 25^th, 2016 at 7:17pm: If you don't need the fighter feats, than just go with more ranger to get CLW. How much is a CLW gonna hit for at 500 Pos Spellpower and 10+60+45 HAMP? Is that going to replace a cocoon?


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