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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Hello, I.T. Jul 26^th, 2016 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	Looks like Wednesday morning downtime is now a thing. https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/477373-Weekly-DDO-World-Restarts-on-We...


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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #1 - Jul 26^th, 2016 at 3:10pm	Print Post
	They finally hit 'Fuck it'.


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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #2 - Jul 26^th, 2016 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	This... seems like a good decision. But what do I know?

	Two sips from the cup of human kindness and I'm shitfaced
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notajedi Stormreaver Piker Offline What idiot puts personal information here? Gunga Posts: 528 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #3 - Jul 26^th, 2016 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	Obviously, this staff has finally decided that no matter what tweaks they have done and how much crap they load on the system to determine why it lags(probably all of their lag detection add-ons), they finally decided to do the three finger salute. People who don't know how to do proper system administration, do the three finger salute. Remember how moving to the new datacenter was going to be super dee duper? These people are so transparent, but they continue to think they are pulling one over on us.


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notajedi Stormreaver Piker Offline What idiot puts personal information here? Gunga Posts: 528 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #4 - Jul 26^th, 2016 at 5:23pm	Print Post
	The Weekly Wednesday Weboot.(misspelled on purpose)


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #5 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 1:48am	Print Post
	What to say ? Windows.... It has always required a Weekly reboot to work fine...

	Yes my avatar is an Hermine eating a Greenland Lemming for brunch.
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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #6 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 5:53am	Print Post
	gravisrs: Please use that time window for patches/updates also Cordovan: As a matter of fact, that is a possibility in the future. If there are a handful of things we want to fix/update, this provides us with a weekly window. Granted, it's still a new build and all, but it may well be that we can sneak in some work between patches. Reality: We'll use this window to stealth nerf shiradi. Or anything else you like regardless of how useful it might be.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Sim-Sala-Bim Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Wha...? Posts: 5356 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #7 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 6:12am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 1:48am: What to say ? Windows.... It has always required a Weekly reboot to work fine...�


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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #8 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 7:23am	Print Post
	EVE do a daily reboot, which given the sheer size of the game and the fact they actually put out patches that work and content is understandable. DDO's weekly reboot is probably a useless CM tripping over the cables trying to larp pacman in the server room.


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Metal-Beast Abbot Raider Offline \m/ Posts: 767 Joined: Apr 13^th, 2014	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #9 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:31am	Print Post
	Can't say I have an issue with this. At least it's akin to an active effort to fix issues. Yes, I am officially reduced to "battered wife" positive thinking.

	I Got Nothin'.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #10 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:06am	Print Post
	Meh. Weekly reboots is fine. Kinda disappointing that in 2016 in a virtualized environment they need weekly downtime for this, but whatevs. If it makes the lag/game performance better who gives a shit?


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AsstralTraveler Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 24 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2016	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #11 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:20am	Print Post
	Cordovan says "Weekly restarts will take place starting at 8:00 AM Eastern (-4 GMT) every Wednesday." I pity the poor sods where ever in the world that have this time as half way through their usual game time. "Sorry bud, take a break, but don't use your guild ship for an hour after it restarts" Or they could roll the time to eventually piss off every one.� But who wants to be at work at 8:00 PM just to click the switch?


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platfarmchink Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 866 Joined: Feb 28^th, 2016	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #12 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:14am	Print Post
	Can't they throw the switch remotely or is this too much of a technological challenge for them.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #13 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 11:49am	Print Post
	I'm sure the time was picked based on customer activity levels, not the fact that someone needs to be present to flip the switch. There was a post by Ykty recently about how dead the servers are around 7-8am am US Eastern time. How long does a non-patch server restart take? 30 min? or less? I can't say as I recall.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #14 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 11:49am: I'm sure the time was picked based on customer activity levels, not the fact that someone needs to be present to flip the switch.� There was a post by Ykty recently about how dead the servers are around 7-8am am US Eastern time.� How long does a non-patch server restart take?� 30 min?� or less?� I can't say as I recall.� Definitely, they have to have the metrics ( and if you look at the Old Oracle datas you'll see it ) Early Morning in the Eastern US is the best time for any maintenance. ( 6-10 AM Eastern ), Americas are waking up, Europe is hard at $ORK, Asia, Oz and Kiwis are still sleepings. India, Tibet, whatever-stan doesn't count... in most places there not even electricity... so don't even start talking about Internet. So it's the best time to do it in their prime time.

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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #15 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 6:12am: http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-bill-gates-money-479324...

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #16 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 1:48am: What to say ? Windows.... It has always required a Weekly reboot to work fine...� No.� Windows hasn't required weekly reboots for a long time. If that's been you're experience, you've been doing it wrong.

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #17 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 11:05pm	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:10pm: No.� Windows hasn't required weekly reboots for a long time. If that's been you're experience, you've been doing it wrong. http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r545/DDORedshirt/DDO/Uptime_zps4aqv3a0f.png My Win 7 dev machine still requires weekly (or more frequent) reboots, so it's not that long a time. I don't know how it does with just a browser and Office, but if it's running SQL and Visual Studio, it needs the reboot. Or maybe it's the ton of backup, AV, update, and remote access apps we run, but something degrades performance at quite a rate, and my Linux boxes running about the same amount of stuff (but in a different dev stack, obviously) go weeks between reboots. And I doubt Turbine is running Win10, though that might explain a lot.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #18 - Jul 27^th, 2016 at 11:48pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 11:05pm: My Win 7 dev machine still requires weekly (or more frequent) reboots, so it's not that long a time. I don't know how it does with just a browser and Office, but if it's running SQL and Visual Studio, it needs the reboot. Or maybe it's the ton of backup, AV, update, and remote access apps we run, but something degrades performance at quite a rate, and my Linux boxes running about the same amount of stuff (but in a different dev stack, obviously) go weeks between reboots. And I doubt Turbine is running Win10, though that might explain a lot. They would be running Windows Server 2012 or 2008 r2, most likely. Win10 is a workstation OS.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #19 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 2:09am	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:10pm: No. Windows hasn't required weekly reboots for a long time. If that's been you're experience, you've been doing it wrong. Sure, at workstation level and if you only uses the holy trinity : word, powerpoint, excel as well as a bit of outlook you don't need a weekly reboot. But we are talking about a server here, even worse, a virtualized server. Asheras wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 11:48pm: They would be running Windows Server 2012 or 2008 r2, most likely. Win10 is a workstation OS. And with the software they run on top of said windows they will need to reboot them on a weekly basis. There's at least a SQL Server ( MS-SQL or any other one ), some kind of web servers ( IIS ? ), and more... All these will add up to requiring regular cleanup reboots... as Meursault said other OS can go for a long time without reboots. My personnal record is a HP9000 K570 server with HP-UX 10.30 on it. It ran for more than 1500 days without a reboot. ( the second node of the cluster ran for less, we had to switch it off once to replace the tape drive )

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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #20 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 6:46am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 11:48pm: They would be running Windows Server 2012 or 2008 r2, most likely.� Win10 is a workstation OS.� Uh, yeah, hence my "that would explain a lot" comment. My point was that while maybe their absolute newest has gotten over the need for frequent reboots, even if it has it's not so long a time. Besides, can server 2012 run on a potato? Rumor has it the new data center is a Raspberry Pi Windows cluster tethered to Cordo's phone while he plays Pokemon Go. It's geographically flexible but cooling is an issue.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Durk The Deranged Offline I've got a secret! Posts: 705 Location: The Harbor Joined: May 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #21 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am	Print Post
	Server 2012 R2 with MS SQL and IIS 8/8.5 in the cloud. I actually feel kind of bad for them.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #22 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 11:08am	Print Post
	Durk wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am: Server 2012 R2 with MS SQL and IIS 8/8.5 in the cloud.� I actually feel kind of bad for them. What a surprise... I feel bad too... well kinda... when they moved they could have done the work to get rid of at least IIS and the supporting Windows. ( keeping MS-SQL server is a no brainer since they don't have any decent DBA to do the work required to move the datas to Sybase ( which is the nearest RDBMS to MS-SQL Server, long ago they were the same thing. )

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #23 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 12:10pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 11:08am: What a surprise...� I feel bad too... well kinda... when they moved they could have done the work to get rid of at least IIS and the supporting Windows. ( keeping MS-SQL server is a no brainer since they don't have any decent DBA to do the work required to move the datas to Sybase ( which is the nearest RDBMS to MS-SQL Server, long ago they were the same thing. ) The platform isn't the problem. You can write Windows based apps that perform just fine. All this "Real men run UNIX" crap is so 1990's. Quit making excuses for Turbine. Is it ideal for their application and the requirements? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I'm not familiar with the application architecture to say for sure. Sybase certainly doesn't do anything that MS SQL Server can't do. Just having the SAP logo/branding doesn't make it suddenly better. But, given that it is a Euro tech company, I can see your propensity for it over US options like SQL Server or Oracle. SAP's US market share is around 5% (vs. 20% for SQL Server and 40% for Oracle). In Europe, SAP probably has around 45-50% market share, though.


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Hello, I.T. Reply #24 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 1:18pm	Print Post
	My wife's company just moved to SAP, and what a nightmare. The number of basic features they simply can't get that I could implement in T-SQL in a day or two staggers the mind. While I'm sure it does what it can very quickly, it can't do everything they need. And considering what they spent, they probably could have gone the MS route on killer hardware and well tuned indexes and gotten similar performance. Oh, and real men do run *nix, just not exclusively�

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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