They both have valid points, honestly.  It turned into an slap fight between those two but some good ideas were voiced.

Slarden is right that just because the best builds by the best players can shortman/solo LE doesn't mean that the mobs need to hit harder, especially when the solo was done by 3 ranged characters who, probably, rarely get hit. 

Sam-ur-eye(or whatever) is right that the content does need to be more challenging on LE. 

Lots of better solutions than having primarily melee mobs that hit for 2000+ base (before PRR) and have 100K+ HP as non-bosses and 1mill+ HP bars for bosses.  Which can just be kited and burst damaged into oblivion easily by ranged toons but wreck the living crap out of melee toons. 

this game and a majority of its userbase sucks

i would just shove a bunch of shit in the quests that forced you to require multiple people coordinating- that is without a doubt the hardest part of DDO

80% of the players are fucking gay and retarded and believe they are like super heroes. they dont listen, communicate, nor care what anyone else suggests. a simple task like cooperation can ramp difficulty SO far up well beyond what mobs hitting for 400 or 800 or 1600 can ever hope to achieve. How many times have you entered a heroic von 6 KNOWING that these fuckers will fail on the pillars? when is the last time u went into an abbot knowing with full certainty that your group would be successful- despite the fact that everyone in quest is 15 levels over the quest level?

the devs are retarded and the players are gay and the game experience as a result is gay and retarded

the players being gay is a pure reaction to the devs being retarded. as mobs got dumber and dumber, ranged became more and more valuable. as mobs became stronger, melee became less viable. as mobs became beefier, casting became less valuable. champions and out of control spike damage solidified ranged as the only logical defensive choice in the current metagame. the end result is the current environment of range fest and exploits to circumvent shit that sucked. shit that sucks does not equal difficulty.

technically, you could just add a mechanic to a quest that killed the entire party every 2 minutes based purely on time and nothing else and that would be just as effective as ramping up mob strength and health even further. it would force you to bring clerics with DI and it would negate the longevity of range. but it would also fucking suck for everyone. the changes that people are asking for arent much different.

make quests hard through game mechanics and quest objectives, not through retardedly bloated math that forces the intelligent into ranged options

i blame the devs not the players. players are simply reacting to the devs implementations in the best way mathematically possible.

eighnuss wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 9:09am:


By getting gay?  Izzat mobo maths?

So you guys don't know how to play a mlee and because of that you say mlee is hard. Have you ever rolled a ranger?

Vaultaccount wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 10:34am:


You miss the point.  Nobody is saying melee is hard.  The issue is that mobs are one dimensional and boring.  They are 90% melee mobs with no significant ranged attacks or significant debuffs.  The solution that Turbine seems prone to addressing boredom and ease of game is to increase the melee damage per hit and up the HP.  Which only negatively affects the melee PC's and doesn't make the game any less boring or more challenging.  Just more tedious.

Slarden is from special needs server Salorna.
From their posts just a bunch of tards failing hard Shrouds.

That poor sucker OP is pretty fucking good.

Listening and appeasing the shitty and casual player lobby is the biggest mistake that the direction of this game has taken.

In what other game is the crying and bitching taken seriously ? Really, you join a new mmorpg and expect to have everything handed to you immediately ? The same loot by playing trivial difficulty ?
Or bloody soloing the highest difficulty by default ?
Yeah, no other game does that.

"Epic elite", "legendary elite", my arse.
Like a bunch of whiny kids - instead of improving their gameplay and just getting better, people LOVE to blame the game mechanics or other builds for their own incompetence.
"I pay my vip, gimme".
About time someone would toss that cunt Sev_Pay outta the window. And we get the game back on track.

The combat has become such a boring routine.
The quests that used to be exciting, encounters that you would pay attention to before the unnecessary melee power, prr or hjeal amp increases.

Wow Kazama is fucking retarted again.

KNN sock probably.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 3:25pm:

Grand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 3:44pm:


lolz

It’s 2006 all over again!

Artorias wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 8:05pm:


Check out this solo EE DOJ run.  At 18:50 through the end you'll see a tactical (not tactful, different word entirely) use of terrain.

Frank wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 11:46pm:


Uh huh. Very tactful standing in plain sight behind a step just outside their aggro range. The boss that aggroes the toon alone without calling for back up because "reasons" is also very funny.

Golden is truly uber when it comes to raiding but don't tell me that is tactICAL use of terrain. That is clever use of mobs stupidity. 4 out of 10 for the try

A tactical use of terrain is when you use coverage to protect yourself from monsters or ...pff....I dunno... standing right outside a door to force monsters in fighting in groups of 3 or 4 (pretty much all we ever use).