5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 5:48pm:


maybe you need a better guild,
=p
^^
we have tanks, healers, dedicated CC
all sorts of silliness

temporary hit points are not nerfed.
but they are less useful when mobs usually oneshot you anyway.

they definitely make low-skull completions easy/possible because the healing penalty does not bother you.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:



Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexactly! Hell it's the best part of having a tight guild or crew that identify challenges and adjust accordingly as a group, doesn't anyone remember when casters were taking the bullet and respec'ing into Transmuters for epic Orchard? or all the respec'ing done to make FOT completeable? It was great. 

I'm surprise 5FS isn't in to it, customizing groups is like the gold standard of building.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:


one would not need a better guild for all sorts of silliness, when one can be all silly by himself.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 5:48pm:


That's not healing yourself

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While leveling it will fucking suck (just don't, LR into it) actually playing it in 10 skulls like how playing a tank in Epic LOB used to be.   Since the whole quest kinda revolves around you there's fun to be there.

We've got some "5 Skull" tanks in the works that aren't this boring, still need a trial by fire before we know they're more than just theory-craft.

Fred Astaire wrote on Jan 4^th, 2017 at 1:57pm:


Posts 4, 5 and 6 of this thread discuss that.  I agree with you.  I think the double intims would be more valuable than the slight defense/hamp boost you get from human.

harharharhar wrote on Jan 4^th, 2017 at 5:20pm:


they can get 200?

calcs look like getting 170 is kinda the point where it becomes more useful.
Sweetspot is prolly 250

I hit like 220 without really trying at all in Mountain Stance on my Terror Arrow life (lots of wis and lots of Dex). Far from maximized. I think 275 is doable, breaking 300 will be hard without a shield, but we'll see.

Digimonk wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2017 at 3:31pm:


Yeah, this is just a misinformed opinion.

When my caster starts his rotation by using a 95% hate reduction ability (Imperceptible Casting) and still pulls aggro because mobs that couldn't even see him when he was casting were triggered to him as a threat, or better yet when the melee opens a door and starts cleaving/swinging/intimidating and yet the mobs stream past him and attack my caster who hasn't thrown a single spell yet, there are issues with the aggo mechanics in the game.  This is not to be dismissed as players not understanding how to manage their aggro.  That is the refuge of an idiot who doesn't understand how the game is played.

U33.2 changed the aggro mechanics for the worse.  And I say that as someone who has mostly profited from the change, since they have made it easier for me to group up masses of mobs for AOE destruction.

Being hit by enemy casters through rock walls is BS though, and needs to be fixed.  If they can cast on me I should be able to cast on them...

Frank wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 4:11am:

Based on past experience, I expect that about two weeks from now you'll find out that this past week SSG acknowledged there are issues with the current aggro coding due to the recent changes and are working to fix them. 

I assumed that people already knew this and it was a given that my prior statement on kiting was based on the new problems/bugs with the recent aggro changes being resolved.  I suppose I should have known better.  As they say, there's always one...

Additionally, while the aggro system currently has a higher than normal level of stupid in it, even for Turbine/SSG, it's not unmanageable if you have a decent build, play well, and have a good group.  The video WFB posted is proof that it can be done, even in Reaper.

Granted, it requires ranged and casters to not immediately go full-retard DPS as soon as line-of-sight on mobs is acquired.  It also requires that the ranged and casters do not run/kite half way across the mission map in a blind panic to get away from the scary mobs and subsequently the tank who is trying to catch up and pull aggro.  Smart ranged/casters will be glued to their tank's backside as they know who's keeping them alive in the long run.  Obviously, those two requirements put said aggro management handily out of reach from a vast majority of DDO's current player pool.

137 Xyzzy no fail give or take 2
she's the highest I'm aware of

some of the shroud pt2 bosses are only 110 or something no fail

Digimonk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Since it's their work to fix the old aggro "problem" that caused the current aggro problem, confidence is low. SSG has yet to prove they can say things that correspond more than 10% - 20% with what actually happens in-game. i.e., the Turbine ceiling.

Digimonk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

I think you're being um, admirably? optimistic.

Digimonk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Spot on.


All things considered, I'd like to congratulate you and Frank both on keeping it civil-ish. This has been a refreshing aggro change of its own.