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Munkenmo wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:


A recommendation from Epoch goes a long way...

IMARANGER wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:


Spoken like an idiot.

Ok, let me make it easier for you to understand. Work+commute etc, 60hrs a week. Wife/GF Family time, chores wtf ever, 30 hrs a week. Actual time to play, 1 hr a day.  There's the scenario for taking 50 years to grind it.

And if you run the quests with groups that dont already have it and wont pass it to ya for free/plat/aug trade, you need to find new groups and friends.

I run raids on a weekly basis where I have no need for anything from it in order to help get other people whatever they need.

And a more accurate description which includes my previous description is pay NOT to play. pay shards to skip quests on a saga, buy ottos to skip questing to level. P2W in DDO is a myth. It's only pay to win when the items needed *to win* are only in the store.

Are you a troll or really as stupid as you sound?

ddofanboy wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:


Why thank you, although I needed no affirmation of that fact from anyone, and certainly not from some sad, fat fuck who is a DDO fanboi.

Having said that, I am a Time Warner stockholder, and every  bit of profit that can be wrung out of Turbine has a chance of increasing my dividend check. As such, I would encourage you to continue spending money on DDO as you attempt to offset the wretched reality that is your life.

Just for your information, not all companies optimize their business operations to maximize current profits. Amazon, for example, is much more interested in increasing its market share at the expense of current profits.

You would know these kinds of things if you were anyone who mattered, but clearly you aren't.

Now, be a good little fanboi and toddle off to the Turbine forums where you can get your daily dose of Cordo ass kissing done.

Hi Welcome

P2Win has been in full force since Mana Pots were put in the store.  Nothing else in the game is a bigger easy button.  And they have been in the store for years.

Tomes are a marginal impact in comparison.  As are Otto Boxes or Fate points or anything else. 

Even so, as mentioned, in a PvE game, P2Win is only a moderate impact.  I've played games where it's way worse.  Try Game of War.  It's totally P2Win PvP environment where you can't reach the top end game level without spending 4-5k US dollars.  Even though the base game is F2P.  In those games, your guild (alliance) strategy is to actually locate and attract the spenders.  The best players in the world not spending money couldn't compete with a moron with a big wallet.  That's P2Win.  This game is no where near that level.

Asheras wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:40pm:


Yes, but that's weak compared to the P2W that has been implemented since then.  Only the worst players need those to help them achieve something approaching mild winning.

Asheras wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:40pm:


No.  Tomes and Otto's Boxes have introduced P2W that goes far beyond the SP potions (which only the worst players need).

Asheras wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:40pm:


Not so sure about that. 

Asheras wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:40pm:


There are degrees of P2W.  You agree.  I'm not here interested in debating whether the P2W we currently have is good or bad.

Sasha wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:


I was referring to this.  Not the cards.  The cards are equivalent to SP pots.

I would say move this to the drama forum section.

This thread has much buthurt and many funny tries of IMBUTHURT to pretend he would be interested in (and beeing capable of) having a real discussion about that topic.


Apart from that DDO has p2w. But it's far from beeing full-on.
Stat and skill tomes -> nice to reach some stat requirements for feats. And that's the only situation where stat tomes are strong. +6 str from tome is +3 attack and up to +6dmg before criticals.
+3 attack -> I doubt anyone is noticing that difference with the new to-hit formula.
+6 dmg -> if I look at the damage numbers of some builds I doubt that anyone with a proper build is able to notice a difference as well.

XP stones(epic boxes) -> yes you can bypass your way to completionist. Very strong if you look at the xp that can be bypassed on one day. Very weak if you have a look at the effect for most builds. Apart from the +(tactical)DCs and spell pen most PLs aren't going to make a big difference. So I'd say after bypassing 3-6 lifes the power gain for your build by the additional PLs is weak. DC casters are the only exception from that.
But who is building a DC caster anyways if you can just roll a shiradi and win in your first life.

Mana pots -> allows to go full retard dps with your caster and zerg quests without using your brain. This combines buying XP from the store and buying raid completions. (some players are good enough to solo a raid with unlimited sp, but mostly a caster with unlimited SP is just dealing crazy amounts of damage which makes a big difference in most raids in ddo)

Apart from that... p2w in a pve game is more like p2epeen.
I am not going to worry about it, especially because I know how bad full-on p2w can really be.

We had it in DDO, i remember to farm those stupid sigils of leveling.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 11:48am:


Nope. You can farm favor for the TP to get it. Neither example I gave gives a free way to do it. You HAVE to spend $$.

Oyster wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:


Well slap me with a lesbian's freshly used strapon. Thought they finally put this out for TP you could farm to get instead of having to pay cash.

So did I. And for a time, you had to pay cash to get em. But I thought I heard some one say they were available for TPs.

If you still have to pay cash, that qualifies as P2W under my definition.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stupid people like you cant.