OnePercenter wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Not for the 12m 5c 3p from the videos. He has triple all past lives. Doesnt use completionist feat.

Feats are : Great Cleave, Whirlwind, Greater Two Weapon Fighting, Precision. Epic Spellpower. P2WF, and OC.

Max con human all level ups into con.

I've been testing between Star of Day and a pair of TF handwraps with just 1st degree burns, 3rd degree burns, and dragon's edge, and waiting till final form on tree, and seeing my damage, and with star of day, my max crit was only 10k, while with handwraps, i was critting for 13-14k.
None crits for star of day were about 1.6k, while handwraps were non crits for 2.8k.

precision is useful to beat some objects (e.g. portal in shroud, pillar in wgu, zabbot etc) but i guess it's not indispensable.

OnePercenter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Yes, but you give up one of the feats. Probably OC

I took whirlwind at 18 so I could full tree at 20, this build is stupid good.  I went an odd split 12 monk/ 7 cleric/ 1 fighter because I was going PDK.  I am only 20 but every pug group I join is 95% kills me, 5% spread amongst everyone else.  After a couple quests the plan just becomes "point the tree at it".

I tried to solo a couple EE but it turns out you also have to be a decent player to do that.  I have found the build takes a little getting used to.  I need to know where my cleaves and whirlwinds will hit and have to get used to the small activation delay.

I don't know how good I will be in raids but right now it is very fun.

bob the builder wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:44am:


Go back and read my posts on the previous page.

ElAndroide wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:15am:


tnx for clarifying the whirlwind part, i had a guess it only works when unarmed as well.
But i forgot to test myself when i was in tree build as i was using wraps all the time.

I did a bit long ago a odd cleric wizz monk tree build.
Issue is i had no evasion and my defenses were rather low vs spells /but as pdk iconic with passive shield clickie it could be mitigated to passable number.
I did that specifically to test how death aura and cleric aura stacks.
Also i tested with only consecration(sacred grond) for ticks.
What i found out is that cleric, no matter how much we all want to get rid of it, is crucial for those kinds of builds.
The constant ticking and healing ticks for tree combined with cleaves are ok for most spirit income, also it seemed like the damge on undead acted as offensive ticks as well.
As i had dauras as well, it seemed like the tooltip for ammount of maximum spirit income was also incorrect as i had full spirit most of the time and could upkeep tree with 3 auras and consecration infinitely even in largest form.

Ranger sadly doesnt give much beside feats and other classes also lack in many ways.
You are basically locked into cleric/monk for most efficiency.
And as third due to inablity to use harmor palie for saves is the best split for modern tree builds.
I had many idea, tried several out and if i was to do a tree build again it would be 12 5 3 since its clearly sadly the best.


Only thing that i didnt test since im only loged into ddo and dont play is, how is ravagers selfheal coded, if its as a spell to keep the ticks for healing, then some kind barb tree could also be viable.


Can someone with barb ravager core 5 be kind enough to just swap to primal and check if it can fill spirit from blood strenght?
Will require some testing, but if it does work then we could have starting ground for a different kind of tree build focused mainly on barb trees and get rid of wasted ap for aura from cleric, the drop of dps from whirlwind should not be as huge if we manage to think of some kind unique split

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:19am:



Hmm no idea, my tests were at fault maybe?
I mean i tested it specifically with 2 celestias, 2 thforged tier 2 shortswords and antipod wraps and some crafted thforged t2s.


Anyways, can you /i hope you play barb/ test what i am wondering right now.
Thinking to play the game and actually tr to a tree and pike it at 28 til they make temple.
But before i do it, i need to verify if barbs on hit/kill ravager thingie can restore healing tick spirit.

If it cant /i mean i assume it cant but you never know/ il prolly just do cleri monk palie

I want to Live!

I have become careless and need to be more patient.  I find myself sometimes running into the fray with no aura, no shadowfade and only 10 spirit.  It generally equals a quick death.  What does everyone have for average hit points at 28?  And are those who are 28 finding that to be enough?  I am trying to decide if I should drop precision to add in toughness and then epic toughness.

Damage is still great, I just need to be alive to dish it out.

Brac wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:


What people do is go con based and possibly the palie monk cleric version since it is superior.
Do you have any prr plifes? Prr gear?
Are you sure your dodge is maxed out?
Got any displace clickies?
Have consecration twisted?
Do you use yugo con pot ?
Do you use tensers?
You can twist in primal if you dont like dance as well.
There are many ways, but the build generally has no issues whatsoever with survival, only issue it has is chasing mobs while cripled.
And that is about the only thing that is bad that i can think off heh

Lelouch wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:



I am doing most of the things you listed. Just got consecrate twisted with the heal portion, that helped.  Prr is almost 50 in human form.  I can get it higher after a couple levels with gear.  I think it was just a change in play style.  I do so much damage I feel like its my responsibility to kill everything.  After playing some more I stopped charging and usually bring the tree up from the rear after clickies and fade.  The kill count isnt so lopsided but I don't die anymore.

I find the things that lead to death are when there are champions in the mix, specifically the ones that have their damage amplified and they hit for 400-500 per hit... even at 1200 hit points, you can go down quickly.

Are there any problems/issues with using supreme cleave or eldritch strike in tree form?  I am trying to find an alternative to the huge feet requirement needed to get whirlwind.