https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/476838-Cannith-Crafting-Discussion-Par...

I know players have been awaiting more information on the Cannith Crafting Revamp, so without further ado let's jump right in.


All items created with old Cannith Crafting will remain as is when the new system goes in. However, all of the old recipes will be gone at that time.



Single School

Cannith will be down to a single school - currently know as... Cannith!
The school with have a level cap of 400, and all XP will carry over from the original 3 schools.
The lower levels of the school have had their xp curve adjusted. Here are some XP values for getting to different levels in the new school (could change before launch)


Level 50: 1,256
Level 100: 7,313
Level 150: 30,151
Level 260: 245,580
Level 340: 472,752
Level 400: 650,040


The Treasure Level of Cannith will likely end up capping at what would be ML 34, instead of ML 33 as previously mentioned.



Crafting Difficulty

Minimum Level shards will be their level x 10 for their crafting difficulty (which the exception of ML 1 which will be difficulty 1). Unbound versions will be their level x 10 + 50.


Example:
ML 20 shard would be a recipe of 200 difficulty
Unbound ML 20 shard would be a recipe of 250 difficulty


The plan is to divide the scaling effects from random loot into 3 crafting groups.


The lowest group would be difficulty 1, the second group would be difficulty 50, and the final group would be difficulty 100.
Unbound would be +150 so 150, 200, 250
Insightful would be +175 so 175, 225, 275
which means unbound insightful would be 325, 375, 425


Since non scaling effects also don't have insightful versions, they will fall in different places along the crafting curve. The above is for the normal scaling effects only.


Crafting Groups:

Group 1:
Guards
False Life
Wizardry
Enchantment Resist
Illusion Resist
Poison Ward
Disease Ward
Will Save
Reflex Save
Fortitude Save
Damage Resistances (fire, acid, cold, etc.)
Skills
Fortification
Incite
Diversion


Group 2 (50):
Negative/Repair/Healing Amp
Absorptions
Parrying
Dodge Bonus
Accuracy
Deadly
Seeker
Shield Bashing
Armor-Piercing
Spell Focuses
Tendon Slice
Vertigo
Stunning
Shatter
Stat Poisons
Spell Pen
Spell Powers
Weapon Damages
Creature Banes


Group 3(100):
Attributes
Spell Saves
Resistance
Riposte
Sheltering
Doublestrike
Doubleshot
Assassinate
Combat Mastery
Melee/Ranged Alacrity
Potency
Weapon Crit Damages
Weapon DRs (good, evil etc)
Spell Lores
Vampirism


Natural Armor is considered insightful so it would show up in the first insightful tier.


Exclusive Effects:

Below is a list of effects exclusive to both Random loot and Cannith crafting. Note: This does not include clickies.

Random:
Vorpal
Speed
Paralyzing
UMD boost
Feather Fall Effect
Underwater Action Effect (being added into the random loot system)
Banishing
Disruption
Smiting
Destruction
Ghostbane (being readded into the random loot system)


Cannith:
Metalline
Alligned
Everbright
Blueshine
Ghost Touch
Invulnerability
Vengeful
Unbalancing
Twilight
Lesser Arcane Spell Dexterity
Songblade
Slowburst/Improved Slowburst
Regeneration
Persuasion
Fearsome
Silver Flame/Sacred/Eternal Faith
Efficient Metamagic
Blindness Immunity
True Seeing


Consideration is being made of adding Good Luck into random loot and having it be craftable. Same goes with Shattermantle. UWA will likely be added to random loot.


Single Essence

There will be a single essence going forward, no lesser or greater, just a single essence. The exchange rate will be 1 greater to 1 of the new essence.

The new essence will stack to at least 10,000.


Removers

There will be a singular remover which will award a range of essences based on the ML of the item being deconstructed. We are also looking into Mass Deconstruction, so there is a possibility of an even better system such as a deconstruct all. We are not at the point to say how possible this will be yet.


Disjunction will still exist and will prep the item for new Cannith crafting (items previously disjuncted with the old system would need to have disjunction applied again to set them up to be used with the new system).


Collectables

Collectables will be used in all the crafting recipes. To help fill out the range of collectables, new ones will be created that drop in the higher levels and drop in both FR and Eberron. Exactly which collectables and how many per recipe is still being designed.

Purified Dragon Shards will still be used as well.

We are creating a scaling treasure system for collectables. The tiers will be broken down into 5 level ranges and the collectable device in a dungeon will automatically check the level of the dungeon and pull from the correct tier. So if you were to run a level 5 quest on normal, you'd get the level 1-5 tier collectables, if you ran it on hard, you'd get the 6-10 tier collectables. And if you were to run those on epic difficulty, you'd get the higher tiers as well. We will be adding collectables to FR as well, with the Eberron related lore ones removed (so no Soarwood for example).


As always, everything above is subject to change for any number of reasons.

Exactly.

NoGoodDoc wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

So, still won't be able to remove Paralyzing from a kukri and then add it to a longsword.

Now also won't be able to craft Featherfalling.  BONUS:  Ring of Feathers enjoys a resurgence of popularity.


NoGoodDoc wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

Where you'll start if you've maxed current crafting skills (3x 81,905 = 245,715).


NoGoodDoc wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

Can't wait to park at the crafting stations.  I'll have to thank my wife for getting me a super comfortable chair.


NoGoodDoc wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

425 = uncraftable.  It's almost interesting that this wasn't noted in the OP.


NoGoodDoc wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

HOT DAMN!  Can't wait to start collecting more collectibles!

dammit, I didn't dupe my way to 150 x3... i did it before duping existed, or before I knew it existed... but I have lots of mats ready for this new system.

mudfud wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 3:00pm:



Even if it's like some of the other UI where you put in a number to exchange and it slowly does all the conversions.......I've got roughly 100K lessers and if it's a 5:1 ration that's 20K little tics!

tl;dr;

Players: "whenever you devs eventually get done with the crafting update will you fix all of the issues with the old system and will we finally be able to craft vorpal/paralyzing/smiting/disruption weapons?"

Devs: "fuck you"

Thanks OP for the post.

OldCoaly wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

Because feather fall is too powerful to leave in crafting.

OldCoaly wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:


Wow, I didn't realise they were going to make it so bad.  Lvl 260 out of 400....  Nice middle finger to those who previously maxed it.
I would have thought they would make it 350 out of 400 - make it close enough so that those who previously maxed it, figure it is worth maxing again.

Maybe someone should tell them that they've lost most of their players and those few that are left probably couldn't care less about the new crafting system (not enough to grind for 3 years to max it out).
Silly me - the devs don't listen to the players because they know what is best for the game!


OldCoaly wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:


God I hope they automate it so you can mass convert, mass decon or mass produce, but it doesn't sound promising.

OldCoaly wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:


OC, they haven't got that far yet.  QA occurs 3-6 months after it goes live.   
Wait till you go to craft said item, it consumes your mats and item and then fails leaving you with nothing.

And yep, more collectibles - exactly what the game need to rejuvenate it!  Another great call Sev!


somenewnoob wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:


I hope they have included FF and UWA now.

As for the lessers, wouldn't 5 to 1 be the logical exchange rate?  What's for them to think about?

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 12:18am:



But, it's the only way to protect the game from those evil dupers!!!
(98% of whom have left the game out of boredom)

They keep using that reasoning EVERY, SINGLE TIME.  The spectre of the those evil dupers lingers at Turdbine HQ.

And then someone finds a dupe or exploit and their brilliant system becomes completely pointless and a cumbersome legacy item.

Take LGS.  Brilliant work Sev & co!

They NEVER learn.

Wait till they make those collectables BTA/BTC so they can't be traded (as a further anti-exploit measure ofc).

Flav wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 3:20am:


Sans overabundance of vorpals and feather falling items, non really drop in random gen either.