Although the weapon properties that are RLG only would be nice to have (vorpal/paralyzing/smiting/etc), I only use crafting for accessory slots beyond level 10, so I don't really care about them being RLG only.  Besides a caster stick, I can't remember the last time I used a non Green Steel/Named/TF crafted/LGS weapon past level 11. 

The level 425 stuff, i think, will be craftable, but with a failure chance.

I'm not a fan of the missing FF/UA, but as others have said, I think they are returning to CC list.

Also not a huge fan of more collectibles in the game. 

I am curious to see if they can get a more efficient mass deconstruction feature available now that they are going to a single school of essences and a single remover.  With no choices to make, it should make it easy to automate the process.

Asheras wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

They CAN implement mass deconstruction efficiently, but choose to not do so.


Making anything easy to automate the process has never ever been a design goal.  The design goal is always "hur hur dur My NEW SYSTEM is BEST New System!!! hur dur hur".

Requiring removal widgets to be purchased with plat from the vendor that is in the same room as the deconstruction machine is shameless self aggrandizement - "see how awesome my new system is!  You have to buy stuff from a vendor and everything!". 

Make deconstruction machine a coin-op and just deplete plat directly.  The trip to the vendor to buy several thousand of each yellow/green ingredient that is rarely repeated adds absolutely no fucking value to the experience.

Maintaining the illusion of immersion through the non-illusion of tedium is already so overwhelmingly achieved by the forced waiting for needlessly long animations to complete that "making sure you have enough green or yellow thingies to deconstruct" is unnoticed noise.

kum-gulp wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 5:38am:

Then you shouldn't have married her.

No, dude. It's still wrong to marry your mom.

Aren't you home-schooled?

OldCoaly wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 1:50pm:



My you got purdy lips.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:


You are operating under the assumption you will still need those old collectables for CC.  They will probably be removed from the game 2 updates before Turbine realizes they are also used for turn ins at collectors.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 14^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:

ftfy.

It's Turbine.  They are a textbook example of "hope for the best, expect the worst".  They have half-assed every update to existing systems and implementation of new systems the past few years.  They rush out incomplete systems and lack enough professional pride to go back and fix them after the fact.  Their corporate motto regarding updates should be "Thank you, drive through".

LGS
What we wanted:  epic level versions of the heroic gs options
What we got:  stat bonuses only on weapons, damage shields (as if you want to get hit by LE mobs and as if the paltry amount of dmg from the shields will make one bit of difference...), +resists and set bonuses that you to craft multiple items with marginal benefits just to make the set.

U29 RNG Loot
What we wanted:  level-appropriate benefits that scaled usefully into epic levels and logical combinations of effects.
What we got:  9 bazillion useless iterations of dwarven axes (abjuration focus of rat slaying anyone?) for every one sensible combination.  The majority of the items have a caster oriented effect combined with a melee centric one, making them effectively worthless.  Not last and not least, items with +0 bonuses.

Gnomes
What we wanted:  a wisdom based race
What we got:  Intelligence based race with a focus on illusions for the whopping two offensive illusion spells in the whole gd game...

The list goes on and on.  I hope the Cannith Crafting update gives us useful crafting options.  I expect we will get a system that requires such an enormous time and resource sink that it renders it essentially useless.

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2016 at 11:19pm:


they were 100% part of that bug, if you could get the 5000 to begin with

The cleansing basically gives you an augment to slot. Silly, I know, but yeah, you could have fun with it like all the other LGS "augments".

Personally I feel the great headache that has been crafting in DDO is exactly what the players deserved.

Back when crafting was just a discussed idea many of the vocal manager sponge playing barbie dolls got very up in arms at the thought of having to play a caster of some kind to craft magic items and even though haggle bards where pretty sop for many of the same players the idea of fitting in crafting feats was somehow deemed unfair even though that is what defines and is a major reason for the bonus feats wizards get in PnP. Had they used that system and the rules that govern it from PNP may well have never seen much of the Monty haul loot we now have. Crafter's would of been the go to for custom tools for other players and even created an in game economy.

Had they coupled it with player or even proper guild housing  we could of seen player run shops etc.

It really all did start with those who wanted to only play pure warrior types but also have access to the best and most personalized loot that got us to where we are today.

GS as popular as it was was also the original Monty haul loot so powerful that thanks to one of the exploits from that era that pet people get all the gear and cleansers needed that by the time the era of stagnant nothingness ended the first major power chasm was already to wide to fix. Partly this can still be seen if one for example uses older gimpy weapons and makes a toon that doesn't spend any ap you can actually see how around lvl 12 the content becomes much harder simply because devs where creating it with the idea that players would be fully kitted I. GS raid gear

This lead to the frequent complaints about trouble playing normal dungeons and hitting a stone wall if one didn't want to go grind the GS gear out which once the content was flowing again no one but raiders wanted to do. Really raid gear never should of been a thing in a DnD based game. As its ski. To artifacts and which are not ever meant to be player gear but plot device a more akin to things like the holy sword found in relic of the sovrein host or the axe at the end of VON part one.

The cost for the best person all gear should of been the time and challenge of playing a crafting caster who sacrificed raw build power and personal xp to make exactly what they PR another wanted which is just another way to foster diverse characters and social interaction and in game contacts outside of players being buff bots healers and trap monkey's.

Imagine if we hadn't had unlimited pot and scroll vendors. If the wizard who had found and learned a rare spell then became famous as the only one who could scribe a scroll to spread that spell among the community.

I don't know if it would for certain be a better game now with all that but it would for damn sure not involve needing stupid fucking amounts of collectables to tax our storage space to such ridiculous levels.

What an interesting mix of potato and word salad.