All I see on mobo are some dudes stroking their e-penises in a gay and retarded way.

binary code dude is bitching really hard though.

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:25am:


Well, he has offered to:
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So it should be trivially easy for anyone to take him up on his challenge, since he is the one who will need to level a char from 1-30 and he has placed no restrictions on anyone else, be that past lives or classes or whatever.  He has made a very open ended challenge which should be very easy to comply with without any extraordinary effort.

Seems to me like a win-win.  Either you hamster wheel him before he proves you wrong, or you hamster wheel him and then prove you are right and watch him squirm as he tries to deny his own conditions.  Be sure to make the conditions concrete and understood, citing his own words, and then slay him.

Go for it!  Accept his challenge!
But to just say he is wrong after he has made it so very easy and has put all the work on himself to level a new char vs. any established char, well, that is just a little bit flawed.

I can tell you right now the dps between rangers and bards isnt even close. i tested all that shit on lama. bards were well behind rangers. he posts stupid wall of texts with bullshit ideas and pretends he knows what he's talking about. yet you never see those types of players try to beat speed runs. ever. he is like jalont, only dumber. at least jalont doesnt quadruple down on stupid.

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:42am:
Offer a scenario where he is a compete disadvantage and you have every advantage.

Look, I'm not sucking his dick here.  But it just seems as though he has ceded every single advantage in a situation he has defined where he is at a disadvantage.  "I'll fight you with one hand tied behind my back" is a similar situation.  Refusing that challenge make your position a bit weak, looking at it from the outside.

Frank wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:

i could understand if you're mentally handicapped. will reiterate one more time, so you dont miss shit. if someone wants to prove how good a build is, it isnt going to be by saying " i outkillz thems in quests!!!1!11one!11!!!!"

No. you go and you break records. a lot of people, maybe including you based on your posts here, do not understand just how hard it is to get those fast times. I cant get 12 mins on chrono. even if goldie or hent let me play on their accounts. this is where idiots like chilldude fall. saying there isnt any skill. sure i can solo chrono, but can i do it in 12? instead chilldude and binary fag will just spew verbal feces and double down on stupidity with " i am high level killer bro!!" or "no skill so eazzzy". but wont attempt to beat the speed runs.

lot of misconceptions about speed runs here and mobos. people will flout excuses like " it's 58% invis running". chai just did it in that thread, actually. invis or not is irrelevant. it is something every fucking body can do. grab a scroll, use it. done. where strategy comes in is in how fast do you take down the red names, how well do you clear trash, and when do you use boosts and consumables appropriately. 

the last time i tried beating chrono records was before my account got permabanned. farming for abishai shards on a 12/6/2 robot fvs shiradi. I could only manage 25-26 minute runs. the record then, around doj release, was 21? iirc..

it gives you a sense of appreciation and understanding what these guys are doing and just how good they are at this game. take cetus' new thread. he goes in and starts soloing tempest spine, flawlessly. makes it looks easy on a robe wearing melee. take goldie's break ranks runs around that time too. i tried the same on my fvs shiradi and got a time of 15minutes. without joy, but still, they would be getting 10 minutes without joy most likely, where as i could not. and it is not the build because yeela walked in there and almost matched goldies time on a fvs shiradi.


that thread does have some merit, however. pointed out by trudh(of all people). a higher floor is available to swashbuckler than tempests if youre starting today from zero. mainly due to not giving up a thing to have displace, no fail cc, easily splashable stalwart stance, and an insta kill combo. but if you have all the lives you need and are geared to the teeth, then tempests offer the much higher ceiling.

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:


agree.  I tried to solo breaking the ranks and it humbled me.. when the gnolls died I checked time and was at 8 minute mark. hehe.. realized I better go back to pretending a high kill count made me a good player.

Artorias wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:


Or, you know, you COULD (I'm not sure why I did that in all caps, but it seems to be how it's done now) just say "Challenge accepted, tool!" and let him either prove you wrong or be proven wrong.

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

I don't recall making any posts about speed runs.  I'm fairly OCD about breaking boxes, doing opts, and getting the collectables, so I'll never break those records even on my main.

But what you're suggesting is that when someone offers you a competition which is completely weighted against them that you'd prefer to say "No, I win because you can't show me a video."  That seems just a little bit cowardly to me.  And by little I mean a lot.  A one legged man has offered to run a marathon against you and you're begging off because "you're tired."  Yeah...

Digimonk wrote on Sep 26^th, 2016 at 1:40am:

It is unicorn level rare now. Since slaver's released I have ransacked 2 shiradis and not once did I pull 5 min joy. I did get the one minute indulgence on part 3 end fight. We completed in 15 minutes.

As for spell potions, I mean, yeah it isn't something a person is going to be doing every single quest. With level 30, am pretty sure goldie could get 5 minutes in ranks using 1 or 2 potions, max. Hellballs and ruins take a lot of sp but it is the best way to aoe trash and dps reds to get record times.



S_O_B wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:09pm:

heh. I did the same ;p. Giants spawned and I looked at the time : 12 minutes... Thought to myself, welp, guess I wont be breaking any records here.

The idea that a head to head kill count competition is a valid way to decide which build is better at dps is flawed.

A head to head competition introduces several variables in quest, such as the synergy between the two builds in question and the cooperation of the players.  A rogue assassin, for example, would play markedly differently with a ranger than when soloing.  The bard in question might also play differently.  Does he fascinate as much?  Create helpless states?  A lot of this would feed into the advantages of his opponent.  So, does he artificially alter his playstyle from the most efficient for PvE because there is a PvP competition going on within this PvE quest and "sabotage" the teamwork/effectiveness aspect in an attempt to "win" the kill count?  In which case, is it really a valid comparison of the two builds effectiveness in PvE?

Then, you get to boss/red named DPS.  The kill count only rewards 1 kill for these.  But if one build is doing significantly better red named DPS than the other, that has a huge impact of the time and ease of the run.  More so than getting 20-30 more trash mob kills.  But the kill count gives this no additional value for a 300k boss kill than a single 4k trash mob kill.

Any warlock, FvS, Wiz or Sorc DC caster would wipe the floor on kill count vs. either a bard or a ranger in a head to head.  Out of 10 mobs, I'd implode(or Wail) 5 and destruct(or FoD/Hurl/Devour/PK) 2-3 easily in the same time they DPS down 2-3.  I can also snipe higher HP mob kills with Ruin and Sunbolt and the like.  But, the boss DPS is shit and it would never win a solo speed run competition due to very low single target boss DPS, mana usage and timers on the AoE instadeath spells.

The solo run video comparison of the same content at the same difficulty level is a much better objective evaluation of the relative qualities of two builds.  Especially when done by the same player to normalize player skill/playstyle as a variable in build performance.   

This is an accurate post of Chai (the level of the forums is so low that Chai is not at the botton anymore - there is worse!)

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Vaultaccount wrote on Sep 26^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

the quest is perfect for kill counters liek binary. all he has to do is outkill the ranger and he will get a faster time. bard vs ranger on players with skill/gear/toons being in close range will not be able to complete that quest faster. Simply because the dps against reds and aoe clear all favors the tempest.

eighnuss wrote on Sep 26^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

always instant gratification. i have low impulse control