Flav wrote on Jun 19^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:


None of them "play" still. They try out the new crap and move back to AC or LOTRO...or whatever else

Luxgolg wrote on Jun 19^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:


fify

Proof that Jerry is good at his job as that you fucking asshats are blaming a low paid forum mod for your issues with the game and it's direction rather than quitting or fucking blaming the people who actually have a say in how the fucking game gets made.

Carpone wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:



you dont understand. TR'ing over and over is the only end game turbine is working towards. Costs less and makes for an easy transition to maintanence mode.

I know we all want turbine to reverse time an go back in time when ddo wasnt such a pile of shit. Since that will never happen, its long past time to move on and not sully the memories of a good game with the farce its become.

Bigjunk wrote on Jun 19^th, 2013 at 7:15pm:


Agreed.  Game is still fun and cheap entertainment.  Definitely worth the cost of admission.  $30 for Shadowfell a year after MoTU is not a large expense.

Asheras wrote on Jun 19^th, 2013 at 11:29am:


Even if it were "bloated", which I don't concede, it's sure as hell not going to be bloated when the level cap goes up to 28.  I haven't seen any word on removing repetition penalties, and there's still an over-level penalty on epic quests, even if the band is broader; the latter will make its impact felt more when you have to level to at least 26 to avoid repeat penalties.

Asheras wrote on Jun 19^th, 2013 at 11:29am:


What are you going to do after the first half-hour when your XP is capped at 300ish due to extreme repetition?  Or do you actually mean "run Rusted Blades for 2 hours after hitting the new XP cap"? 

Ultimately, for all the bitching (mine too) about the lack of decent XP/min content in the last couple of heroic levels, there's actually plenty of different stuff to do, even if some of it doesn't offer a very good return for your time.  This will not be the case with epic levels when you have to find millions more XP before you can afford to start repeating the good stuff: how much more Epic content have you seen slated to appear before these changes go through?

A more rational thing to do would be to use that banked XP to get you faster to XP cap so you can start your favourite farm, if that's your thing.  And bear in mind, you'll have to be doing all of this different content with no twists, starting either with no destiny at all, or in just the destiny you bonded.  If you want to re-fill destinies to top-up this XP bank, you'll have to spend a lot of time in off-destinies - again - in order to do it.

No thanks.

Asheras wrote on Jun 19^th, 2013 at 11:29am:


Whereas there are of course no dead spots for grouping while levelling right now 

It makes no never-mind to me as I solo everything, but the constant refrain from my guildies is that they have LFM's up for long periods of time before they fill.  And that's with pretty much all of them TR'ing like crazy before any changes are made, which I imagine is the situation with a lot of people.  Goodness knows what it'll be like when a load of folks are turned off TR'ing at all because they can't face the ED grind all over again, or because they don't trust that they won't have to start from scratch the next time the level cap goes up.

Asheras wrote on Jun 19^th, 2013 at 11:29am:


Fuck that noise.  If you can re-buy ED XP with it, what's the point of having the complicated banking mechanism in the first place?  Sure, if you want you can blow through some of the awkward spots in heroic levelling and make up the difference once you've hit XP cap again, but I for one would just re-buy my ED's so I didn't have to spend weeks of my game time - which is very limited these days - bleeding from my eye sockets in the same two quests (assuming, that is, that such is even a viable strategy at the new cap)... and what would they have gained towards their implied goal of making me play epic content over and over at that point? 

Removing ONE destiny for one Epic PL is fine if you can only do it once per life; you'll have to play the epic content again in order to use it, presumably, so why isn't that enough of an incentive?  Removing ED XP for a heroic TR just flat-out shouldn't happen under any circumstances, stupid-ass banking mechanic or not.

Persiflage wrote on Jun 20^th, 2013 at 3:44am:


OK.  You convinced me.  1 for 1 on heroic XP, too!

Ckorik wrote on Jun 20^th, 2013 at 12:05pm:


If I kept my "destiny points" is a big freaking "if".  Those would be the fate points that the developers have said - in the event they remove your ED XP - they haven't figured out a way to keep unless you bought them from the store, yes?

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Vargouille also made a post about how "tricksy" fate points are...

In short, no Turbine proposal has solidly included retaining fate points during ED loss; certainly Glin's initial proposal wouldn't have caused the ragegasm it did if it had included that idea.  If it turns out they can do it and say they're going to do it, it's a different conversation.

Persiflage wrote on Jun 20^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

Oh, they can do it. It's all just zeroes and ones in a database. The only question is whether they choose to do it, or if they would instead rather screw over their remaining players once again.

It's not as easy as just storing how many points you have.  They actually have to store how you earned them.  Because they don't want to give away unlimited fate points.  (Which makes sense)

Since you earn 1 Fate Point per 3 ED levels, they would have to track how many overall ED levels you had earned previously and how many fate points you have, thus, how many ED levels you would need to acquire for the fate points they are "letting you keep" before you can start earning new fate points.

Example:  You have 10 fate points.  You bought a +1 tome of fate in the store.  You have earned 9 fate points.  If you Epic TR and they wipe all your ED XP but keep the fate points, they have to know that you have 1 Store Fate Point, 9 Earned ones.  To stop you from earning more than the max of 20 Fate points, they cannot give you any fate points for any ED you earn until you have earned at least 27 levels of ED's.

You won't get your 11th fate point until you have earned at least 30 ED levels this life.

So the idea of keeping Fate Points will really just give you access to your twists of fate slots while you re-level.  Here's the problem, though.  You can only slot/use a feature in a twist of fate slot if you have the item unlocked in the ED tree.  Since your XP got wiped, you would have fate points and twists, but nothing to put in them, except those from your Bonded destinies.  Once they are bonded, they should be available.  But twists from non-bonded destiny trees wouldn't be available anyways.

Asheras wrote on Jun 20^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:


In answer to the first, Varg has posited a scenario in which you keep your fate points and can continue earning fate points through levelling destinies, but only up to the current "fate point cap", whatever that is.  Store-bought on top, naturally.

In answer to the second...  well, quite.  Although having to level one ED to 4, another to 2 and another to 1 in addition to whichever I want my primary destiny to be this life doesn't strike me as exceedingly onerous, particularly if the payoff is decent.

But working for all those twist slots again?  No.  Really, no.

Persiflage wrote on Jun 20^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:


On the first:  If you can immediately start earning fate points again, just with it capping at 20, that would be awesome.  I'd rather Epic TR my monk and re-level destinies that don't suck to earn fate points (like Primal Avatar, LD, Fury, etc) than have to level Fatesinger, Magister, Draconic, etc. 

On the second:  Yeah.  It's not too bad to go get them.  Depending on the pathing.  If you have to re-unlock them, that could be more work.