Novalis wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 7:59pm:


It doesn't work that way.   As customers you can only choose to support the game or not support the game.  If enough choose to not support the game, they will end development and eventually shut it down.   Changing the team for a team that is more to the players liking isn't an option.   The player base isn't United enough nor does the player base have the ear of the right wb executives.   Even if that was something that was desired.   I personally feel like the current data center lag isn't the fault of the game devs.   Infrastructure and budget are outside their control most likely.   As for the direction of the game from a development perspective, a lot of stuff is an issue with legacy code/systems and budget constraints.   A different 5 guys with the same budget and code base will still have the same constraints.

Asheras wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:


This is the most valid observation of the current state and there is one source why this is. Cordovan and the strawman army.

Asheras wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:


You of all people should be able to catch yourself before leaning into being an Turbine apologist. How many times have they ignored, detoured and flat out denied lag issues while in the same breath accusing players for years it was on their side? With this recent data center move, how hard was Cordovan and the devs beating their chests with bravado jumping on this being a solution to many of their own created ills? As far as content, you're partially right. But they want to make the game seemingly into a fanboi friendly cheese style nerf covered cookie cutter FPS type game now. Why would you feel you need to do hard work when your main paying player base sucks at playing anyway?

Asheras wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:


You answer your own question.
If they don't acknowledge there is a problem, then there is no obligation to fix said unacknowledged problem.  And if the whining is loud enough, then they just deflect the issue to those outside of their control.  Lucky they have "thick skin" eh?

It's called "sticking your head in the sand" approach and from what I have come to understand is the standard operating procedure for Turbine.
It has worked so well for them and others in the past, why not keep doing hoping that one day it will work?

Asheras wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

I disagree with some points here. First support/not support isn't purely binary. If you stop paying, and say why you are not paying, any decent company will listen, and if enough customers seem to agree that the current offering isn't worth paying for then they will change their approach.

When people stopped buying econobox cars, Ford didn't go gently into that good night, they started producing SUVs. Maybe you're right in this case because Turbine is too stupid and arrogant to pay attention to why customers aren't paying, but if so that's just another example of how bad they are, and could be fixed by firing the right people and hiring competent replacements.

Second, I'm not sure we're working on the same definition of "devs" and "control". If you mean the current coders can't change it while their immediate supervisors order them to do something else, then I agree with you, but I think we've mostly been using the term "devs" to include the producer, and most of these issues could be greatly improved if not solved outright with coding optimizations if the political will were present at the producer level.

Legacy Code isn't immutable, you only have it as long as you lack the will to clean it up. You don't have to throw it all out at once, you don't have to drop everything for 24 months while you refactor, you can absolutely clean a little at a time and work your way through it. It's only a waste of time if you don't care about quality or don't plan to be around for more than a year or two.

And I absolutely blame Turdbin if they have either of these attitudes. Would you refuse to clean your garage because you have more crap than you can haul to the dump in one day? No, you'd spend a weekend or two a month cleaning it for as many months as it took. Turdbin should do the same. And we should withhold their allowance until they stop making lame excuses and start making some real progress. In the long run, we'd be doing them a favor.

PersonaNonGrata wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:30pm:


i didn't ask any questions.  I was making statements.  I agree with you that they are acting as if the problem is not on their end.  But I am not sure that their public stance of "deny, deny, deny" means they aren't internally acknowledging the problem and working on it.  That would be SOP for a lot of companies.  I think there is a way to acknowledge the problem while not airing dirty laundry, but it does take some PR acumen.   

Tried to get into a quest and move right a couple of times since the move. Always awful. Too many more of those and I just won't bother.

I logged in after a long break see what the fuss was about... and there is definitely crippling lag. I was trapped, rubber-banding in a tavern for like 10 minutes. The public instances were worse than the actual quests.

Steelrock wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:


I have this strange feeling that the bandwidth increase that they added after the TWF nerf went away or wasn't accounted for by the new data center and the connections are getting capped to old values.

Asheras wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

I hadn't realized there was a limit to his capacity for denial, too funny 

Not to laugh at your lag wipe, just a silver lining that it caught Uurlock

Asheras wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 2:51pm:

Yeah, that's what I've been doing. I did hit some serious lag in Explosive Situation, but as you say it was not a serious threat. I did make a new character and pulled a vorpal in The Grotto, that was pretty funny 

Asheras wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 2:51pm:

ftfy

Meursault wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 9:54am:


I'm no expert on this stuff, but I don't think DDO will warrant changing heading.  Too much effort and career risk for anyone to do it.

I think it is now going to be binary - operate or don't.  I don't agree with this, but we players have a vested interest, unlike the executives who make these decisions.

Going on what other's have said, DDO is a pretty small fish in the WB pond.  Wouldn't even rate as a rain drop?  This means no-one in middle "manglement" (as Flav puts it) is going to care.  If it makes money, let it run.  If it doesn't, kill it.

Furthermore, Turbine have been instructed by WB to focus on mobile development, so turning around an aging MMO product is unlikely to be a priority or of any interest to mgmt because no-one will get kudos out of it.

Also, given its age, the demise of the game would just be attributed to the natural cycle of decline (not mismanagement as it should be).

The data centre move was an interesting piece.  You generally wouldn't bother, but they moved all their aging MMO games over, and given the quality issues now, it might have been a downgrade to save money.  This makes more sense in hindsight.

As of today there has been ZERO acknowledgement of even a lag 'problem' only that they're looking into it. I was in DDOchat with Vagisil and Steelshit. When I came in it was like a Georgia hootnanny in there! Talking about their accomplishments, how awesomesauce they were, Vargouille was the most hated boss in the challenge and so on.  Needless to say when I entered into the chat they GTFO of there because they didn't want to hear about lag, the shit-ass anniversary event, LAG, neglected broken game mechanics and of course the game-killing lag. But apparently while we are just trying to point out basic observations today, Severlin comes out of nowhere to chime in on a post taking bets who the next producer will be.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/473285-Forum-Pool-on-the-next-DDO-prod...

And while many people are tired of the shit, Turbine employees posted a pic of them having some Monday humble pie.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/473282-Any-Dev-response-regarding-Lag-...

I seriously hope Cordovan also has a side of crow & chokes to death then someone finds him, voided bowels and all.